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Aistri=FA =C9ireann (Belfast Studies in Language, Culture and Politics, =
2008)=20
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Dr Charlie Dillon, Queen=92s University Belfast & Dr Ri=F3na N=ED =
Fhrighil, St
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The book is a collection of essays on the subject of literary =
translation,
focussing on various aspects of translation to and from Irish from the
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and
Ulysses. =A0 This book is the first collection of essays in the Irish =
language
to address the importance for Irish-language studies of translation =
theory
and the development of suitable critical approaches to translation =
issues.=A0
Scholars from nine different institutions contributed to the volume. The
Forward is by Michael Cronin, Director of the Centre for Translation and
Textual Studies, DCU.=20

Available to purchase at
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'IRISH TIMES: TEMPORALITIES OF MODERNITY'
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includes new and original discussions of the Great Famine, James =
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James Joyce, and Samuel Beckett;

is vibrantly written, cogently argued; it continues and expands upon =
Declan
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ABOUT THE BOOK: Taking the ruins that dot the Irish landscape as its =
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presents a radical reading of Ireland=E2=80=99s cultural history. =
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THE GREAT COMMUNITY: CULTURE AND NATIONALISM IN IRELAND
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endorsement and subsequent rejection of the group=E2=80=99s ideals.

Cultural nationalism, David Dwan argues, was not a romantic retreat
from politics, or simply an aesthetic expression of a desire for
national independence: it was an ambitious attempt to recover an
ancient ideal of citizenship for a modern democratic age. Drawing on
political thought from Aristotle to Edmund Burke, 'The Great Community'
examines the attractions and difficulties of this enterprise.

From the start, the project relied on institutions such as the
press. Dwan concludes with an analysis of the vexed relationship
between newspapers and Irish nationalism. The rift between classical
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From: Patrick Maume
For those of you on the list who don't already know- Michael Adams of
Four Courts Press died in Dublin on Friday morning (his funeral was on
Monday). He had bee suffering from cancer for some time. He is a
great loss to Irish academic publishing.

The Nineteenth Century Ireland society has a new proceedings volume
out from Four Courts which has some material of Diaspora interest -
IRELAND AND SCOTLAND IN THE NINETEEENTH CENTURY edited by Frank
Ferguson & James McConnell. Here's the table of contents:
INTRODUCTION - James McConnel & Frank Ferguson
'In no degree inferior': Scotland and 'tourist development' in
late-victorian Ireland - Kevin James.
Societies and seminaries: technical exchange in Ulster agriculture -
Clare M. Norcio
Irish migrants and the recruitment of Catholic Sisters in Glasgow,
1847-1878 - S. Karly Kehoe
Irish Presbyterian commemorations of their Scottish past, c.1830-1914
- Andrew R. Holmes
'The third character': the articulation of Scottish identities in two
Irish writers - Frank Ferguson
From Scotland's storied land: William McComb and Scots-Irish
Presbyterian identity - Patrick Maume
Thomas Chalmers and Irish poverty - Peter Gray
The urban local state in Scotland and Ireland to 1900: parallels and
contrasts - Matthew Potter
Tuberculosius cures used in Ireland 1700-1950 - Susan Kelly
St. Patrick's Day in Dundee c.1850-1900: a contested Irish institution
in a Scottish context - Richard B. McCready
'All Irishmen of good character': the Hibernian Society of Glasgow
1792-1824 - Amy O'Reilly
Michael Collins and Scotland - Mairtin O Cathain

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Forwarded from H-Albion

I am looking for papers for the Film Session at the Midwest Modern
Language Association Convention (M/MLA) to be held in St. Louis,
Missouri, November 12-15, 2009 The topic is: "Migrancy in European
Cinema. Cinematic constructions of national and cultural identity,
"home" and the homeland in European Cinema."

Please submit a paper proposal (250-300 words) by March 1, 2009 with a
brief CV. If you'd like more information you can contact Roberta Di
Carmine (r-dicarmine[at]wiu.edu)

Roberta Di Carmine
Dept. English and Journalism
Western Illinois University
Email: r-dicarmine[at]wiu.edu

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This book has turned up on the Oxford Scholarship Online Monographs web
site...

Chapter 3 on the Pale is of special interest.

Author: Cahill, Patricia A.

Source: Unto the Breach, November 2008 , pp. i-227(228)

Publisher: Oxford Scholarship Online Monographs

Abstract:
This book argues that the Elizabethan theatrical repertory was enthralled
with the era's martial discourses and beset by its blinding visions.
Offering a richly historicized account of the theater's engagement with
"modern" warfare, the book juxtaposes the new military technologies and new
modes of martial abstraction with the performance of war-suffused dramas by
Shakespeare, Marlowe and their contemporaries. Equally important, it shows
that even as early modern playwrights engaged cutting edge military
practices, they routinely trafficked in phenomena resistant to the new
rationalities, conjuring up a domain of eerie sounds, uncanny figures, and
haunted temporalities. By going beyond the usual protocols of historicist
criticism and emphasizing the complex dynamics of theatrical modes of
address, this wide-ranging study investigates the representation of early
modern war trauma and recovers for us a compelling sense of the intimate
relationship between affect and intellect on the Renaissance stage.
Intervening in ongoing conversations about the drama's role in shaping the
cultural imaginary, this study argues that, in an era of escalating
militarization, England's first commercial theaters offered their audiences
something of incalculable value-namely, a space for the performance and
"working through" of what might otherwise remain psychically unbearable in
war's violence.

Keywords: Marlowe; war; trauma; technologies; audiences; performance;
theater; Elizabethan; Shakespeare

Document Type: Research article

3. Biopower in the English Pale

Author: Cahill, Patricia A.

Source: Unto the Breach, November 2008 , pp. 102-137(36)

Publisher: Oxford Scholarship Online Monographs

Abstract:
This chapter turns from modes of disciplinary power to the regulation of
social phenomena at the mass level in order to show how ideas about
biopolitics-that is, about the making of a reproducible social body-are
inscribed in Elizabethan martial dramas. Exploring how discourses of
fertility overlap with discourses of warfare in the theater, this chapter
focus on the anonymous Edward III, a play, partly Shakespearean, which is
haunted by Elizabethan military experiences in Ireland, and which, in
fascinating ways, anticipates the similarly biopolitical concerns of
Shakespeare's Henry V. Edward III obliquely discloses its engagement with
both the matter of the Irish wars as well as with a kind of "race panic"-a
fear of the erosion of Englishness-that arose in concert with the English
plantation or re-peopling, of Ireland.

Keywords: Englishness; race panic; Edward III; Henry V; fertility; warfare;
Ireland; biopolitics

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I should remind people that these RIA journals are available as frre pdf
downloads at the RIA web site...

This issue has an interesting Editorial by James Kelly, looking at the
difference being made by the new web publishing projects - especially, of
course, the JSTOR Ireland Collection.

P.O'S.

http://www.ria.ie/publications/journals/journaldb/index.asp?select=nextissue
&id=100134


PROCEEDINGS- ROYAL IRISH ACADEMY SECTION C ARCHAEOLOGY CELTIC STUDIES
HISTORY LINGUISTICS AND LITERATURE
VOL 108; 2008
ISSN 0035-8991

pp. 1-18
Irish-Scottish connections in the first millennium AD: an evaluation of the
links between souterrain ware and Hebridean ceramics.
Armit, I.

pp. 19-64
Excavation of an early medieval settlement and other sites at Dromthacker,
Tralee, Co. Kerry.
Cleary, R.M.

pp. 65-74
The poet and the mutinies: Padraigin Haicead and the Munster army in 1647.
hAnnrachain, T.O.

pp. 75-114
Health for sale: mountebanks, doctors, printers and the supply of medication
in eighteenth-century Ireland.
Kelly, J.

pp. 115-136
The study of medieval Irish castles: a bibliographic survey.
Barry, T.

pp. 137-146
In Retrospect: Ernest McClintock Dix and the first book printed in Dublin.
Gillespie, R.

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This Conference is part of the Leeds Metropolitan University Carnegie Celtic
Festival...

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/celticfestival/index_AE498DF666624DEEB8DB4469D6C14
B8C.htm

Of which more later...

P.O'S.


Conference Celtic Conversations: 25 February

Wednesday 25 February,
10:30-16:00
25 February 2009, 10:30-16:00
Seven Artspace, Harrogate Road, Chapel

Celtic Conversations explores the meaning of Celtic identity in each of the
Celtic regions of the British Isles.

11.00 Changes in Cornish Identity Over the 20th Century -
Dr Bernard Deacon, University of Exeter

11.45 'Hop Tu Naa' (My Father's Gone Away) - An account of Manx Halloween
Doug Sandle, Leeds Metropolitan University

12.30 Lunch

13.30 Through a Mirror, Darkly -
Irish tourism and the construction of national identity 1922-1960. Dr Irene
Furlong, National University of Ireland

14.15 Kilts Worn by all the Natives - Tourism and the manufacture of
Scottish identity. Dr Alastair Durie, University of Stirling

15.00 Martyrs of the Arena -
Music, sport and society in Wales c.1870-1930. Professor Gareth Williams,
University of Glamorgan

To register for this free event please email Tony Collins at
t.y.collins[at]leedsmet.ac.uk

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I am trying to track down an I-hope-facetious quote from somewhere about th=
e 'look of the Irish' - the thrust of which is that there are only eight Ir=
ish faces, and that these faces get recirculated over and over again throu=
gh the gene pool.

Does this ring any bells?

Jim Rogers

PS: I do not agree.

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The emergence of a national policy on teacher education in Ireland
Author: Judith Harford a
Affiliation: a School of Education and Lifelong Learning, University

Published in: journal Journal of Educational Administration and History,
Volume 41, Issue 1 February 2009 , pages 45 - 56

Subjects: History; History of Education; School Leadership, Management &
Administration;

Abstract
The development of the Irish system of education was, not unlike all
critical aspects of Irish identity, fundamentally shaped by its relationship
with its colonial neighbour. Prior to Independence in 1922, the system of
education promoted was a fundamental part of a strategic effort to ensure
cultural assimilation and political socialisation. Control over the
education system facilitated the systematic erosion of the native language
and culture and the reproduction of colonial values. Following Independence,
the system of education promoted was a response to what was perceived as
centuries of political, economic, cultural and linguistic domination.
However, whether prior to or post-Independence, the pedagogical was often
marginalised at the expense of the political. This article focuses on an
aspect of Irish education policy which has largely escaped the focus of
scholars to date: teacher education policy. It examines the ideological
basis underlying the development of a national policy on teacher education
from 1831.

Keywords: education policy; teacher training; Ireland

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We have commented already the disjunction between what is appearing in the
academic journals - with their long lead-in times - and events out in the
world.

But I have been collecting notes on the Pick & Mix approach to the 'Irish
model', seen in discussion with and within other small states and would-be
states.

P.O'S.

Neo-structuralism and reforming the Latin American state: lessons from the
Irish case

Author: Peadar Kirby (Show Biography)

Published in: journal Economy and Society, Volume 38, Issue 1 February 2009
, pages 132 - 153

Subjects: Economics; Political & Economic Anthropology; Theory & Political
Sociology;

Abstract
Since its first formulation in the 1990s, CEPAL's neo-structuralist paradigm
has acted as an alternative policy paradigm to neo-liberalism in the region.
While it has been much criticized, it is now being seen by some as the
inspiration for the alternative to neo-liberalism that the new left-wing
governments in the region are seeking to implement. In the light of this, a
critical examination of what these ideas mean in practice is of major
importance. This article argues that the new model of governance that has
helped transform the Irish economy over the past two decades bears
resemblance to key tenets of the CEPAL paradigm. The article begins by
surveying the recent literature on state reform in Latin America,
highlighting certain themes that emerge but also issues that are
insufficiently developed. It goes on to outline key elements of the ECLAC
neo-structuralist paradigm and examines how the Irish 'model' echoes its
twin objectives of changing productive patterns with social equity, as well
as many of the key policy instruments it recommends. Having established the
relevance of the Irish case, the article then examines the implementation of
two core features of the Irish 'model' - industrial policy and anti-poverty
policy. The article ends by drawing conclusions from the Irish case for the
challenges of state reform in Latin America.

Keywords: state reform; 'new left' in Latin America; Irish model of
governance; industrial policy; social policy; neo-structuralism; CEPAL

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IRISH EDUCATIONAL STUDIES
VOL 28; NUMBER 1; 2009
ISSN 0332-3315

pp. 1-5
Editorial.
Devine, D.; Conway, P.; Smyth, E.; Leavy, A.

pp. 7-25
Back to the future: perspectives on current realities and future quality of
educational research through the prism of Irish Educational Studies.
Sugrue, C.

pp. 27-46
Strategic planning and accountability in Irish education.
Gleeson, J.; Donnabhain, D. O.

pp. 47-66
'Dip, dip, sky blue, who's it? NOT YOU': children's experiences of
standardised testing: a socio-cultural analysis.
Ruairc, G. M.

pp. 67-83
'The balancing act' - Irish part-time undergraduate students in higher
education.
Darmody, M.; Fleming, B.

pp. 85-102
'Frictional' relationships . tension in the camp: focusing on the relational
in under-represented students' experiences in higher education.
Keane, E.

pp. 103-113
Maria Edgeworth: nineteenth century Irish female pioneer of science
education.
Scantlebury, K.; Murphy, C.

pp. 115-126
Psychological assessment and dyslexia: parents' perspectives.
Long, L.; McPolin, P.

pp. 127-131
BOOK REVIEWS.
Fitzgerald, J.; Waldron, F.

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The President of the Royal Irish Academy invites you to the launch

by Mr John Gormley, TD,
Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government

of Excavations at Knowth, vol.4

Historical Knowth and its Hinterland

by Francis J. Byrne, William Jenkins,
Gillian Kenny and Catherine Swift
(series editor George Eogan)

at 6pm on Thursday, 26 February 2009
in Academy House, 19 Dawson Street, Dublin 2

RSVP by 23 February: by email to a.mcmonagle[at]ria.ie or phone 01 6090635

RIA

Note:
The book is a social, economic and cultural landscape history of
Brugh na Boinne in Co. Meath. Migration was central to the last 2000 years
of settlement in the region, a fact that is brought out in the book. The
book was suggested by George Eogan, Emeritus Professor of Archaeology at
University College Dublin, long-time director of excavations at Knowth, and
series editor. Each of the four authors deals with a specific time period -
Willie Jenkins deals with the period c. 1550 to today. The rationale there
is that so much has been written about the prehistory of the region and so
little about its history.

Here is a link to the book via the RIA online shop.
http://shop.ria.ie/shop/shopexd.asp?id=677

Here is the Amazon link containing a product description:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Excavations-Knowth-Historical-Its-Hinterland/dp/1904
89030X

And one more link to the review in The Irish Times,
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2008/1115/1226408677059.html

P.O'S.

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RE: Jim Rogers' query on physiognomy:

The phrase itself that you quote does not ring a bell but three good secondary source starting points would be:

L.P. Curtis, _Apes And Angels: The Irishman in Victorian Caricature_ (1979)

L.P. Curtis, _Anglo-Saxons and Celts: A Study of Anti-Irish Prejudice in Victorian England_ (1968)

Robert J.C. Young, _The Idea Of English Ethnicity_ (2008).

For a contemporary account, see Robert Knox, _The Races of Men_ (1850) - which also happens to be on google books and therefore fully searchable.

Hope this helps,

Cian McMahon

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I recall a National Library exhibit on that c. 1990 maybe - I think I still have
the poster, and there may have been a booklet. Wasn't it some fin-de-siecle
pseudo-scientest with a camera going about the west? Probably not the only
one, mind you.

Peter Hart

Quoting "Rogers, James" :

> I am trying to track down an I-hope-facetious quote from somewhere about the
> 'look of the Irish' - the thrust of which is that there are only eight Irish
> faces, and that these faces get recirculated over and over again through the
> gene pool.
>
> Does this ring any bells?
>
> Jim Rogers
>
> PS: I do not agree.
>

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Dear Elizabeth, Always delighted to get your scholarly comments=2EThere wa=
s
much local talk in Tourmakeady, Mayo - the pub, where else, about the
Darwinian evolutonary theories=2E One observer ( who got out with his life=
)
remarked that it was obvious looking around him that we were all sprung
from the chimp=2E Foolishly, I agreed that some of us had not sprung far
enough=2E I also got out in time! Incidentally my Elizabethan Conquest is
coming out in paperback by Manchester University Press later this year=2E
John McGurk=2E

Original Message:
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From: Elizabeth Malcolm e=2Emalcolm[at]UNIMELB=2EEDU=2EAU
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:14:11 +1100
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL=2EAC=2EUK
Subject: [IR-D] Physiognomy


Jim,

There was a booklet published about 20 years ago called 'The Irish Face'=2E=
I
have a
copy, but I'm not in my office at the moment=2E It contains a series of
paintings,
drawings and photographs, and I think was produced by the National Library=

or
Museum=2E But it's a while since I've looked at it, and I don't remember t=
hat
it
identified types=2E

In my experience, people do tend to say, you look Irish, in a way I don't
think they
say, you look English or American or Australian=2E I've never understood w=
hat
exactly
it means, perhaps because I've been assured by different people both that =
I
do and I
don't look Irish!

But, as I presume you realise, this subject gets us into racial science or=

rather
pseudo science: measuring of heads and facial angles, etc=2E - what Perry
Curtis
famously dealt with=2E

Recently I've been reading John Beddoe's 'The Races of Britain' (1885)=2E
Beddoe is
the English doctor who came up with an 'index of nigrescence' and was
convinced the
Irish were 'Africanoid'=2E However, there's a lot else in his book besides=

this=2E He
has drawings of faces, including Irish ones, and uses them to type people=2E=

He has a
West Kerry face, for instance, and an Aran Is=2E face=2E He says you have =
to go
to the
west and south west to find the true Irish type, unmixed with immigrants
from
elsewere=2E The Irish nose is tabulated and compared to others in both
Britain and
Europe, as is the size and sharp of the Irish head, and the colour of Iris=
h
hair and
eyes - hair is a particularly important indicator of origins according to
Beddoe=2E

All very precise, detached and scholarly, researched at first-hand
apparently over
some 40 years, with numerous maps, graphs, tables and footnotes - really
quite
disturbing stuff when you know what the implications and effects were=2E

Elizabeth

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Professor Elizabeth Malcolm

Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria, 3010,
AUSTRALIA
Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e=2Emalcolm[at]unimelb=2Eedu=2Eau

President
Irish Studies Association of Australia and New Zealand (ISAANZ)
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I think it is in Alice McDermott's Charming Billy. I don't know that it ori=
ginates with her=2C but one of the characters says it.
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> Date: Fri=2C 20 Feb 2009 12:14:15 -0600
> From: JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU
> Subject: [IR-D] physiognomy
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
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> I am trying to track down an I-hope-facetious quote from somewhere about =
the 'look of the Irish' - the thrust of which is that there are only eight =
Irish faces=2C and that these faces get recirculated over and over again th=
rough the gene pool.
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> Does this ring any bells?
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> Jim Rogers
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> PS: I do not agree.

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Hi Jim=2C

The exact quote is from the narrator=2C p. 73=2C of McDermott's novel=2C C=
harming Billy=2C "Of the (Let's Face It) half dozen or so basic versions of=
the Irish physiognomy=2C they had two of them=2C Billy thin-faced with bl=
ack hair and pale blue eyes behind his rimless glasses=3B Dennis with broad=
cheeks=2C eternally flushed=2C and dark eyes and fair hair that had only b=
egun to thin under his combat helment=2C somewhere=2C he claimed in norther=
n France. One every inch the poet or the scholar=2C the other a perfect yo=
ung cop or barman. The aesthete priest and the jolly chaplain."

Hope this helps.

Linda
> Date: Fri=2C 20 Feb 2009 12:14:15 -0600
> From: JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU
> Subject: [IR-D] physiognomy
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
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> I am trying to track down an I-hope-facetious quote from somewhere about =
the 'look of the Irish' - the thrust of which is that there are only eight =
Irish faces=2C and that these faces get recirculated over and over again th=
rough the gene pool.
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> Does this ring any bells?
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> Jim Rogers
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> PS: I do not agree.

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Once again, I am indebted to the list for going way beyond my hopes. I hav=
e not found the precise quote, but I think I did see it in Noel Kissane's T=
HE IRISH FACE, which I had forgotten until this thread. Thanks to all.

I'm giving a talk that references the American poet Brendan Galvin's poem =
"Inventing Ballygalvin," which includes these lines:

Turns out that faces in Ireland
are faces in Boston,
somebody's rotating=20
the living and the dead....


Jim Rogers

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RE: Jim Rogers' query on physiognomy:

The phrase itself that you quote does not ring a bell but three good second=
ary source starting points would be:

L.P. Curtis, _Apes And Angels: The Irishman in Victorian Caricature_ (1979)

L.P. Curtis, _Anglo-Saxons and Celts: A Study of Anti-Irish Prejudice in Vi=
ctorian England_ (1968)

Robert J.C. Young, _The Idea Of English Ethnicity_ (2008).

For a contemporary account, see Robert Knox, _The Races of Men_ (1850) - wh=
ich also happens to be on google books and therefore fully searchable.

Hope this helps,

Cian McMahon

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That's it exactly! Many thanks.=20

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Hi Jim,

The exact quote is from the narrator, p. 73, of McDermott's novel, Charmin=
g Billy, "Of the (Let's Face It) half dozen or so basic versions of the Iri=
sh physiognomy, they had two of them, Billy thin-faced with black hair and=
pale blue eyes behind his rimless glasses; Dennis with broad cheeks, etern=
ally flushed, and dark eyes and fair hair that had only begun to thin under=
his combat helment, somewhere, he claimed in northern France. One every i=
nch the poet or the scholar, the other a perfect young cop or barman. The a=
esthete priest and the jolly chaplain."

Hope this helps.

Linda
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:14:15 -0600
> From: JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU
> Subject: [IR-D] physiognomy
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>=20
> I am trying to track down an I-hope-facetious quote from somewhere about =
the 'look of the Irish' - the thrust of which is that there are only eight =
Irish faces, and that these faces get recirculated over and over again thro=
ugh the gene pool.
>=20
> Does this ring any bells?
>=20
> Jim Rogers
>=20
> PS: I do not agree.

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