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The political economy of growth and green politics in Ireland
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The political economy of growth and green politics in Ireland

Author: Leonard, Liam1

Source: International Journal of Green Economics, Volume 2, Number 4, 5
January 2009 , pp. 442-457(16)

Publisher: Inderscience Publishers

Abstract:
The current economic crisis arrived at the end of an extended period of
accelerated growth in Ireland. The paper will examine the impact for the
Irish Greens, including a discussion of the role of the 'Green Political
Economy', in the aftermath of that party's rise to power as junior
participants of the current coalition government in the republic.

Keywords: ECONOMICS AND FINANCE JOURNALS; Economics; ENVIRONMENTAL JOURNALS;
Environment and Sustainable Development

Document Type: Research article

DOI: 10.1504/IJGE.2008.022452

Affiliations: 1: Institute of Technology, Sligo, Ireland

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Dear Paddy

I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practice=20
of keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a=20
prohibition on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and=20
that there was a tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behind=20
the practice.

--=20

Le gach dea ghu=ED

=20

=20

=20

*Dr Dymphna Lonergan*

*Professional Studies*

Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers;=20
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Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish language=20
in Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)

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The pig thread reminds me of an anecdote in Thomas Beer's The Mauve Decade:=
American Life at the End of the Nineteenth Century (1926), in the chapter =
titled "Dear Harp. "

Here is the footnote in its entirety (the McCall in the anecdote is the pre=
sident of the New York Life Insurance Company):

.A magnificent female at a dinner in Washington said to my father, across M=
cCall: "He's not at all Irish, is he?" McCall asked her sweetly: "Did you e=
xpect me to bring a pig and a shillelagh with me?" She assured him: "Oh, de=
ar no! I don't suppose you even keep a pig, do you?"

The full text of the chapter is found at http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/MauveX4=
.htm

Jim Rogers

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From: Patrick Maume
I doubt very much if there was ever a prohibition on the peasantry keeping
more than one animal (which would imply that a farmer whose cow or sow
littered/farrowed would be in instant breach of the law). I suspect this
idea arises from a confused recollection of the famous Penal Law which made
it an offense for Catholics to own a horse worth more than =A35 [as these
could be used for military purposes] and enforced itself by entitling any
Protestant to but a Catholic's horse by offering him =A35.
There may have been a tax on outhouses at some stage, but I suspect the
practice of keeping pigs/livestock inside outlived it and had other
motives- for example, the animals might be a source of warmth and the
practice might make it easier to care for them - pigs can catch colds, and
the loss of an animal might have disastrous consequences for a smallholder.
I cam across what is a fairly late discussion of this practice in the novel
THE ISLAND PARISH by Fr. Joseph Guinan (1863-1932; a priest of Elphin
diocese who came from a big-farming background in Offaly and ministered in
the small-farming country around the upper reaches of the Shannon in North
Longford). pp78,82 of THE ISLAND PARISH (1908), when praising the hero's
role in civilising his parishioners, describes Fr. Devoy ordering
smallholders to expel their pigs from their houses; a farmer who protests
that this will lead to piglets dying of cold is dismissed as an amusing
sophist in a bad cause, and the priests reports parishioners who fail to
obey him to the Sanitary Inspector. On pp212-213 of the same novel, when
discussing the poverty of the parishioners, Guinan gives an emotive
description of smallholders cultivating poor and frequently-flooded land wh=
o
raise pigs to pay the rent, the disastrous effect of a pig's death, and the
consequent care and anxiety which the farmers display towards the
creatures. Guinan never seems to realise that the latter passage provides
the explanation for the backward and 'uncivilised' attitudes which he
ridicules in the former. (For this and more on Guinan, see Patrick Maume
"A Pastoral Vision: The Novels of Canon Joseph Guinan" NEW HIBERNIA REVIEW
9.4 (2005) pp79-98)
Since Guinan is generally anxious to provide as idealised a picture of
Irish Catholic rural life as possible, it is unlikely that he would have
included this detail of smallholders keeping pigs in their houses (he
clearly finds it embarrassing) if he had not actually encountered it and it
was not a real issue. This means that the practice could still be found
among small farmers in such poor and remote regions around the beginning of
the twentieth century. (Guinan was ordained in 1888, then spent five years
in Liverpool on the English mission and then taught in St. Mel's College
Longford for some years before he developed health problems and was sent ou=
t
as a curate in Leitrim and Longford on the grounds that this would be bette=
r
for his health; he may of course be drawing on conversations with other
priests or even remembering conditions from his youth in County Offaly, but
in any case he presents it as something that is likely to be found when he
wrote.) I would suggest it also reflects a divergence in what are
considered acceptable living standards between big farming families who had
acquired more metropolitan and middle-class values, and the impoverished
smallhoders of the west and south-west.
An interesting perspective might be acquired by reading Norbert Elias's
classic THE CIVILISING PROCESS, which discusses how from the late mediaeval
and early modern period such previously commonplace practices as eating wit=
h
the hands, without washing the hands, spitting, wiping one's nose with the
hand, public nudity (e.g. when bathing) &c came to be seen as uncivilised b=
y
the European aristocracy and these new standards then percolated downwards
through the middle-classes.
Whatever legitimate rationale there may have been for it in terms of
animal care, the emphasis on pigs in the parlour etc was originally
developed by British and upper-class observers to show the unfitness of the
peasantry to rule themselves by their failure to observe upper-class
standards of behaviour. A parallel would be with the widespread
twentieth-century middle-class belief that when working-class people were
rehoused to homes with running water, they used the baths to store coal in;
whether or not this ever actually happened, the purpose of the anecdote is
to emphasise the ignorance and inferiority of the great unwashed and the
consequent injustice of taxing the anecdote-teller and their friends for th=
e
benefit of those who were incapable of deriving any benefit therefrom.
Incidentally, I have met people who think the present-day practice of
keeping cats and dogs in the house as child substitutes is as disgusting,
foolish and unhygienic as keeping pigs in the parlour.
BTW the parlour was of course in a middle-class house, urban or rural, th=
e
showroom kept for display on formal occasions; the idea of pigs in the
parlour is therefore to emphasise a mixture of ridiculous social
pretensions with utter barbarity in practice, and is a jibe aimed at the
socially ambitious by their self-proclaimed betters. I doubt very much if
the classes who actually kept pigs in their houses would have had parlours
in the first place.
Best wishes,
Patrick
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dymphna Lonergan wrote:

> Dear Paddy
>
> I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practice =
of
> keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a prohibitio=
n
> on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and that there wa=
s a
> tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behind the practice.
>
> --
>
> Le gach dea ghu=ED
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dr Dymphna Lonergan*
>
> *Professional Studies*
>
> Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers;
> Professional English for Medical Scientists ENGL1001/A; ENGL1012; ENGL101=
3
>
>
>
> Topic convener Professional Writing PROF2010; Professional Writing for
> Teams PROF8000
>
>
>
> Topic convener The Story of Australian English ENGL7214
>
>
>
> Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish language i=
n
> Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)
>
>
>
> Publication: /Sounds Irish: The Irish language in Australia /
> http://www.lythrumpress.com.au
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>
>
>
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Dear Paddy,

I'm sure many people on the list will be saddened to hear that George Watson died on
Monday, 2 Feb. He was of course a very fine scholar of Anglo-Irish literature, but
also, for those of us lucky to get to know him, a charming, delightful and
wonderfully kind man.

His funeral will be held at 11.00am on Monday, 9 February, at King's College Chapel,
Old Aberdeen.

Elizabeth

__________________________________________________
Professor Elizabeth Malcolm

Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria, 3010, AUSTRALIA
Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au

President
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Just a footnote to Patrick Maume's very interesting post: how many Cathol=
ics
would have owned a horse worth more than =A35 in the first place, and how=
many
Protestants would have had =A35 to spend on one? About the equivalent of =
an
upper bracket BMW ?=20
=20
David Rose=20
www.oscholars.com=20
=20
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Subject: Conference, Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement,
6th-8th March 2009
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From: Sean McCartan [mailto:smccartan[at]utvinternet.com]
Sent: 05 February 2009 10:11

Dymphna,

Should you be near Dublin this may be of interest...

http://homepage.mac.com/charles.doherty/iblog/B1068827693/C2061204936/E18658
82159/index.html

It is on the
'Group for the study of Irish Historical Settlement' website.

All the best

Sean

http://homepage.mac.com/charles.doherty/iblog/B1068827693/C2061204936/E18658
82159/index.html

Farming Systems and Settlement

The Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement in conjunction with the
Agricultural History Society of Ireland is holding its Third Theme
Conference in All Hallows College, Dublin from 6th-8th March 2009.

The theme for this conference is:

The aim of the conference is to explore farming systems throughout Irish
history. What was the relative importance of livestock to grain / arable at
any given time? Speakers will discuss what is meant by a farming system,
farming in the Early Christian period, the Norman period, in Gaelic areas in
the later middle ages, the impact of colonization and the introduction of
modern methods.

For more details of the 2009 Farming systems and settlement conference
please contact:

Linda Doran linda[at]billdoran.net


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Dear Paddy

I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practice =

of keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a=20
prohibition on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and=20
that there was a tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behind =

the practice.

*Dr Dymphna Lonergan*

*Professional Studies*

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Submission for Posting to the Irish Diaspora List, Patrick O'Sullivan,
Moderator.
University of Bradford, West Yorkshire UK.
5th February 2009.
______________



In reply to the current thread on Irish and their animals, esp their horses
which they've always prized:


Captain Art O'Leary, whose murder at the age of 23 occasioned the famous
Irish poem, 'Lament for Art O'Leary' (Carriganima, Co. Cork, 1773), keened
by O'Leary's widow Eileen O'Connell, over his corpse, as lore has it,
famously owned quite an expensive horse (something of a show horse, a
chestnut mare, & a winner in the Macroom races). O'Leary was a bold,
assertive Catholic, shot dead by a Protestant, a certain local sheriff, one
Abraham Morris, who sought to purchase the grand animal from O'Leary for
quite a low sum, a mere 5 pounds, in accordance with various (old) Penal
Laws.

There's a rather large body of criticism & history on this poem which
mentions the O'Leary horse & all the trouble it brought its owner ; see Sean
O Tuama's fine edition of the poem, 1991, with generous notes and full
backstory.



Maureen E. Mulvihill
Brooklyn, NY; Princeton, NJ.
"Eileen O'Connell," Encyclopedia of British Women Writers,
eds Paul & June Schlueter (Rutgers UP, 1998), pp 484-7, with primary & sec.
biblio.

_____

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I always take a step back from these questions, much as - I think - =
Patrick
Maume has done...

Yes, this looks like a typical summary of one knot of accusation and
defensive explanation.

Why is this spoken of as if it were a distinctively Irish practice, and =
what
is gained or lost by that?

It is fairly easy to find similar comment about and practices in other
peasant or exotic communities. I used - in my Engels' pig discussion - =
a
Graham Green short story, because it was to hand and it is readily
available.

I'd need some sources and dates. For example, the only thing I can =
think of
that might be a tax on outhouses was the extension of the Window Tax to
outhouses. (Grattan's Speeches 1817) But I do recall the Irish Review
complaining that if a lazy farmer let his outhouses tumble he would =
thereby
get a tax reduction...

I'd look in 2 places for more detail...
Tourism, Landscape, and the Irish Character
British Travel Writers in Pre-Famine Ireland
William H. A. Williams

http://www.wisc.edu/wisconsinpress/books/2931.htm

Kinmonth, Claudia. Irish rural interiors in art. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale
Univ. Pr, 2006.

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=3D9780300107326

This is a lovely book, and one of the best examples I know of new =
knowledge
and understanding coming from a new kind of source.

Kinmonth comments, P 57, on travellers being shocked by squalor and pigs =
and
fowls indoors. The book is well indexed and the index leads you to many
pictures of the beasts indoors, in various periods and settings.

This web site is also helpful...

http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/index.html

http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/Vernacular%20housing/Walls.html

I have just worked out that the web site is not called Geography =
Inaction...

Paddy





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Subject: Re: [IR-D] animals inside

Dear Paddy

I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practice =

of keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a=20
prohibition on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and=20
that there was a tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behind =

the practice.

--=20

Le gach dea ghu=ED

*Dr Dymphna Lonergan*

*Professional Studies*

Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers;=20
Professional English for Medical Scientists ENGL1001/A; ENGL1012; =
ENGL1013

Topic convener Professional Writing PROF2010; Professional Writing for=20
Teams PROF8000

=20

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=20

Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish language=20
in Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)

=20

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/http://www.lythrumpress.com.au

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Guardian article on academic journals...

Yes, I know we know...

P.O'S.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/feb/05/science-journal-access

Digital Britain needs access to science journals, not YouTube

o Andrew Brown
o The Guardian, Thursday 5 February 2009

Scientific journals are a notorious racket: because they are essential =
tools
for the professions that use them, they can charge pretty much what they
like. The late Robert Maxwell was the first person to understand this, =
and
though he is remembered as a newspaper proprietor, he built his fortune =
on
scientific publishing with Pergamon Press. University libraries, and =
even
others that have any pretence to scholarship, now spend fortunes on =
learned
journals. Elsevier, the leading publisher in the field, offered 1,749
journals last year at an average annual subscription price of nearly =
=A32,400,
and each one is indispensable to specialists. Of course, the =
contributors
are paid nothing.

The effect of this, as many disgruntled radicals have pointed out, is =
that
the government pays universities to conduct research for the public =
benefit;
the measure of this research is publication in peer-reviewed specialist
journals; the peer review is done for free, by academics employed and =
paid
by universities. The results are then sold back to the universities who =
paid
for the research in the first place.

This is bad value for governments. It's also extremely bad for anyone
outside a university who may want to learn, and that's a situation the =
web
has made more tantalising. Almost all these journals are indexed and
references to them will be found on Google Scholar, PubMed Central and
anywhere else you look beyond Wikipedia. So the truth is out there. But =
it
will cost you. I just paid $32 for a printout of one piece and this is =
by no
means exceptional.

Full text at

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/feb/05/science-journal-access

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Thank you Patrick. During my first visit to Kapunda, South Australia in=20
2003 I was told about the Irish keeping their animals inside. It's=20
almost one hundred years since the Irish squatted there, but the memory=20
is still fresh (the teller was of proud German descent: she also told me=20
that the Irish houses there had no windows). I found the reference to=20
the prohibition in /An Irish Country Childhood /(1995) by Marrie Walsh=20
who left Mayo at the age of 16 and lived in England for 50 years.

Patrick Maume wrote:
> From: Patrick Maume
> I doubt very much if there was ever a prohibition on the peasantry keep=
ing
> more than one animal (which would imply that a farmer whose cow or sow
> littered/farrowed would be in instant breach of the law). I suspect th=
is
> idea arises from a confused recollection of the famous Penal Law which =
made
> it an offense for Catholics to own a horse worth more than =A35 [as the=
se
> could be used for military purposes] and enforced itself by entitling a=
ny
> Protestant to but a Catholic's horse by offering him =A35.
> There may have been a tax on outhouses at some stage, but I suspect t=
he
> practice of keeping pigs/livestock inside outlived it and had other
> motives- for example, the animals might be a source of warmth and the
> practice might make it easier to care for them - pigs can catch colds, =
and
> the loss of an animal might have disastrous consequences for a smallhol=
der.
> I cam across what is a fairly late discussion of this practice in the n=
ovel
> THE ISLAND PARISH by Fr. Joseph Guinan (1863-1932; a priest of Elphin
> diocese who came from a big-farming background in Offaly and ministered=
in
> the small-farming country around the upper reaches of the Shannon in No=
rth
> Longford). pp78,82 of THE ISLAND PARISH (1908), when praising the hero=
's
> role in civilising his parishioners, describes Fr. Devoy ordering
> smallholders to expel their pigs from their houses; a farmer who protes=
ts
> that this will lead to piglets dying of cold is dismissed as an amusing
> sophist in a bad cause, and the priests reports parishioners who fail t=
o
> obey him to the Sanitary Inspector. On pp212-213 of the same novel, wh=
en
> discussing the poverty of the parishioners, Guinan gives an emotive
> description of smallholders cultivating poor and frequently-flooded lan=
d who
> raise pigs to pay the rent, the disastrous effect of a pig's death, and=
the
> consequent care and anxiety which the farmers display towards the
> creatures. Guinan never seems to realise that the latter passage provi=
des
> the explanation for the backward and 'uncivilised' attitudes which he
> ridicules in the former. (For this and more on Guinan, see Patrick Ma=
ume
> "A Pastoral Vision: The Novels of Canon Joseph Guinan" NEW HIBERNIA REV=
IEW
> 9.4 (2005) pp79-98)
> Since Guinan is generally anxious to provide as idealised a picture o=
f
> Irish Catholic rural life as possible, it is unlikely that he would hav=
e
> included this detail of smallholders keeping pigs in their houses (he
> clearly finds it embarrassing) if he had not actually encountered it an=
d it
> was not a real issue. This means that the practice could still be foun=
d
> among small farmers in such poor and remote regions around the beginnin=
g of
> the twentieth century. (Guinan was ordained in 1888, then spent five ye=
ars
> in Liverpool on the English mission and then taught in St. Mel's Colleg=
e
> Longford for some years before he developed health problems and was sen=
t out
> as a curate in Leitrim and Longford on the grounds that this would be b=
etter
> for his health; he may of course be drawing on conversations with other
> priests or even remembering conditions from his youth in County Offaly,=
but
> in any case he presents it as something that is likely to be found when=
he
> wrote.) I would suggest it also reflects a divergence in what are
> considered acceptable living standards between big farming families who=
had
> acquired more metropolitan and middle-class values, and the impoverishe=
d
> smallhoders of the west and south-west.
> An interesting perspective might be acquired by reading Norbert Elias=
's
> classic THE CIVILISING PROCESS, which discusses how from the late media=
eval
> and early modern period such previously commonplace practices as eating=
with
> the hands, without washing the hands, spitting, wiping one's nose with =
the
> hand, public nudity (e.g. when bathing) &c came to be seen as uncivilis=
ed by
> the European aristocracy and these new standards then percolated downwa=
rds
> through the middle-classes.
> Whatever legitimate rationale there may have been for it in terms of
> animal care, the emphasis on pigs in the parlour etc was originally
> developed by British and upper-class observers to show the unfitness of=
the
> peasantry to rule themselves by their failure to observe upper-class
> standards of behaviour. A parallel would be with the widespread
> twentieth-century middle-class belief that when working-class people we=
re
> rehoused to homes with running water, they used the baths to store coal=
in;
> whether or not this ever actually happened, the purpose of the anecdote=
is
> to emphasise the ignorance and inferiority of the great unwashed and th=
e
> consequent injustice of taxing the anecdote-teller and their friends fo=
r the
> benefit of those who were incapable of deriving any benefit therefrom.
> Incidentally, I have met people who think the present-day practice of
> keeping cats and dogs in the house as child substitutes is as disgustin=
g,
> foolish and unhygienic as keeping pigs in the parlour.
> BTW the parlour was of course in a middle-class house, urban or rural=
, the
> showroom kept for display on formal occasions; the idea of pigs in the
> parlour is therefore to emphasise a mixture of ridiculous social
> pretensions with utter barbarity in practice, and is a jibe aimed at th=
e
> socially ambitious by their self-proclaimed betters. I doubt very much=
if
> the classes who actually kept pigs in their houses would have had parlo=
urs
> in the first place.
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Dymphna Lonergan dymphna.lonergan[at]flinders.edu.au> wrote:
>
> =20
>> Dear Paddy
>>
>> I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practi=
ce of
>> keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a prohibi=
tion
>> on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and that there=
was a
>> tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behind the practice.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Le gach dea ghu=ED
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dr Dymphna Lonergan*
>>
>> *Professional Studies*
>>
>> Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers=
;
>> Professional English for Medical Scientists ENGL1001/A; ENGL1012; ENGL=
1013
>>
>>
>>
>> Topic convener Professional Writing PROF2010; Professional Writing for
>> Teams PROF8000
>>
>>
>>
>> Topic convener The Story of Australian English ENGL7214
>>
>>
>>
>> Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish languag=
e in
>> Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)
>>
>>
>>
>> Publication: /Sounds Irish: The Irish language in Australia /
>> http://www.lythrumpress.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =20
>
> =20

--=20

Le gach dea ghu=ED

=20

=20

=20

*Dr Dymphna Lonergan*

*Professional Studies*

Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers;=20
Professional English for Medical Scientists ENGL1001/A; ENGL1012; ENGL101=
3

=20

Topic convener Professional Writing PROF2010; Professional Writing for=20
Teams PROF8000

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Topic convener The Story of Australian English ENGL7214

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Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish language=20
in Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)

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Publication: /Sounds Irish: The Irish language in Australia=20
/http://www.lythrumpress.com.au

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From: Dymphna Lonergan
Subject: Re: Conference, Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement,
6th-8th March 2009
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Alas, no. But I've noted the group in case I need to follow up something=20
else. Buiochas.

Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:
> From: Sean McCartan [mailto:smccartan[at]utvinternet.com]=20
> Sent: 05 February 2009 10:11
>
> Dymphna,
>
> Should you be near Dublin this may be of interest...
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/charles.doherty/iblog/B1068827693/C2061204936/E=
18658
> 82159/index.html
>
> It is on the=20
> 'Group for the study of Irish Historical Settlement' website.
>
> All the best
>
> Sean
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/charles.doherty/iblog/B1068827693/C2061204936/E=
18658
> 82159/index.html
>
> Farming Systems and Settlement
>
> The Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement in conjunction wit=
h the
> Agricultural History Society of Ireland is holding its Third Theme
> Conference in All Hallows College, Dublin from 6th-8th March 2009.
>
> The theme for this conference is:
>
> The aim of the conference is to explore farming systems throughout Iris=
h
> history. What was the relative importance of livestock to grain / arabl=
e at
> any given time? Speakers will discuss what is meant by a farming system=
,
> farming in the Early Christian period, the Norman period, in Gaelic are=
as in
> the later middle ages, the impact of colonization and the introduction =
of
> modern methods.
>
> For more details of the 2009 Farming systems and settlement conference
> please contact:
>
> Linda Doran linda[at]billdoran.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On =3D
> Behalf
> Of Dymphna Lonergan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:54 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] animals inside
>
> Dear Paddy
>
> I'm looking for any history behind the nineteenth century Irish practic=
e =3D
>
> of keeping animals inside the house. I have read that there was a=3D20
> prohibition on the Irish (peasantry?) keeping more than one animal, and=
=3D20
> that there was a tax on outhouses, and that these are the reasons behin=
d =3D
>
> the practice.
>
> *Dr Dymphna Lonergan*
>
> *Professional Studies*
>
> =20

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Le gach dea ghu=ED

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*Dr Dymphna Lonergan*

*Professional Studies*

Topic Convener Professional English; Professional English for Teachers;=20
Professional English for Medical Scientists ENGL1001/A; ENGL1012; ENGL101=
3

=20

Topic convener Professional Writing PROF2010; Professional Writing for=20
Teams PROF8000

=20

Topic convener The Story of Australian English ENGL7214

=20

Research interests: Irish settlement in South Australia; Irish language=20
in Australia; Placenames Australia (Irish project)

=20

Publication: /Sounds Irish: The Irish language in Australia=20
/http://www.lythrumpress.com.au

=20

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From: "Murray, Edmundo"
Subject: animals inside and horses
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{decoded}Two related aspects of mid 19th-century Irish sheep farming in the pampas... Shepherds used to live in isolated mud huts with little else around them but a fold, a couple of trees, and a well. Sheep were their only company and during 'pamperos' and other storms the lambs were inside the hut with the shepherd. The spots were these huts have been built are marked today by piles of sheep dung in the countryside, and the Japanese horticulturalists of greater Buenos Aires are keen of buying them as organic fertilizer.

The other aspect is horses. The 'camp' (countryside) in the Argentine and Uruguayan pampas was a place which brutalized rather than refined. A visitor wrote that living on the plains 'made residents comparatively independent of what in England are called comforts'. Owning a horse was the most natural thing and horses were friends and companions. Short stories by William Bulfin are plenty of accounts of Irish shepherds on horse-back. And races were the most important event for the Irish population in several parishes (at least for the male population). Perhaps this love for horses by the Irish in South America was partially a compensation for the restrictions imposed to them in Ireland.

Edmundo Murray

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On 2/6/09 12:24 PM, "Patrick O'Sullivan" wrote=
:

From: "Rogers, James"
To: "'The Irish Diaspora Studies List'"
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:28:58 -0600
Subject: lawsuits undertaken for revenge

Paddy, maybe you think this is too silly to post but I thought I'd ask...

Here is a query into which the list ought to be able to sink its teeth:

"long story short: I am writing a family history and want some examples of
Irish people using lawsuits and courts for revenge."

Anything come to mind? Kavanagh's libel suits, maybe?

Jim R

Dear Jim,

Henry Carr was a British military officer attach to the British Consulate i=
n Zurich during World War I. He was involved in an acrimonious suits and c=
ountersuits (1918-19) with James Joyce over the cost of a pair of trousers =
purchased by Carr for the English Players' performance of The Importance of=
Being Earnest and the proceeds of some tickets for the play. Joyce served =
as business manager for the group (an incredible choice in itself) and he a=
nd Carr went to court over reimbursement for the trousers and the revenue f=
rom some ticket sales. Ellmann's biography gives a full account.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English
Marquette University

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Dear Jim, Paddy, and Interested Folks,

For an anthropological approach, check out Marilyn Silverman's essay "Custo=
m, Courts, and Class Formations" that appeared in the American Ethnologist =
is 2000. It is in 27(2): 400-430.

She makes mention of petty court cases where kin and neighbors took each ot=
her to court. =20

As it happens, I'm working on a project now that involves these kinds of ca=
ses centered around "abusive language" and would be most appreciative of ad=
ditional references of any kind.

Cheers,
Brigittine French=20

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From: "Rogers, James"
To: "'The Irish Diaspora Studies List'"
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:28:58 -0600
Subject: lawsuits undertaken for revenge

Paddy, maybe you think this is too silly to post but I thought I'd ask...

Here is a query into which the list ought to be able to sink its teeth:

"long story short: I am writing a family history and want some examples of
Irish people using lawsuits and courts for revenge."

Anything come to mind? Kavanagh's libel suits, maybe?

Jim R=

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From: "Rogers, James"
To: "'The Irish Diaspora Studies List'"
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:28:58 -0600
Subject: lawsuits undertaken for revenge

Paddy, maybe you think this is too silly to post but I thought I'd ask...

Here is a query into which the list ought to be able to sink its teeth:

"long story short: I am writing a family history and want some examples of
Irish people using lawsuits and courts for revenge."

Anything come to mind? Kavanagh's libel suits, maybe?

Jim R

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breach of promise of marriage cases come to mind. These were very
common in the nineteenth century. Widely reported in newspapers and
caused great amusement to the public and humiliation to the defendant
especially when the plaintiff had kept the letters and they were read
aloud in court.

On 2/6/09, French, Brigittine wrote:
> Dear Jim, Paddy, and Interested Folks,
>
> For an anthropological approach, check out Marilyn Silverman's essay
> "Custom, Courts, and Class Formations" that appeared in the American
> Ethnologist is 2000. It is in 27(2): 400-430.
>
> She makes mention of petty court cases where kin and neighbors took each
> other to court.
>
> As it happens, I'm working on a project now that involves these kinds of
> cases centered around "abusive language" and would be most appreciative of
> additional references of any kind.
>
> Cheers,
> Brigittine French
>
> ________________________________________
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
> Patrick O'Sullivan [P.OSullivan[at]BRADFORD.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:24 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [IR-D] Lawsuits undertaken for revenge
>
> From: "Rogers, James"
> To: "'The Irish Diaspora Studies List'"
> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:28:58 -0600
> Subject: lawsuits undertaken for revenge
>
> Paddy, maybe you think this is too silly to post but I thought I'd ask...
>
> Here is a query into which the list ought to be able to sink its teeth:
>
> "long story short: I am writing a family history and want some examples of
> Irish people using lawsuits and courts for revenge."
>
> Anything come to mind? Kavanagh's libel suits, maybe?
>
> Jim R

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I am about to take a brief, one week, holiday...

Bill Mulligan, currently in Cork at UCC, will take over the day to day
moderation of the Irish Diaspora list.

Email messages sent to the Irish Diaspora list email address
IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Will be picked up by Bill Mulligan and distributed in the usual way.

Messages sent to me personally will await my return.

As ever, my thanks to Bill Mulligan for all his help...

P.O'S.

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I and a colleague, Dr Dianne Hall, have been working for some years on th=
e topic of
violence and gender in Ireland between about 1200 and 1900. We=E2=80=99ve=
analysed numerous
legal proceedings throughout this period, and some could certainly be int=
erpreted as
reflecting motives of revenge. Patrick Maume rightly refers to breach-of-=
promise
suits, usually instigated by women, but =E2=80=98crim. con.=E2=80=99 case=
s instigated by men were
not uncommon either.

Recently we=E2=80=99ve been looking at abduction and rape. There were ple=
nty of allegations
during the 18th and 19th centuries that all classes brought cases to cour=
t on these
grounds in order either to extract revenge or to force a marriage. But of=
ten it's
very difficult to unravel the motives of the complainants: the famous Wil=
de-Travers
rape case of 1864-5 comes to mind in this category.

The litigiousness of the Irish is of course much remarked upon, while at =
the same
time it=E2=80=99s suggested that Irish communities developed their own in=
formal legal
systems because they had little faith in the landlord dominated, English =
common law
system. Two recent books I=E2=80=99ve found interesting on topics like th=
ese are:

Eanna Hickey, =E2=80=98Irish Law and Lawyers in Modern Folk Tradition=E2=80=
=99 (Dublin: Four Courts
Press, 1999)

Heather Laird, =E2=80=98Subversive Law in Ireland, 1879-1920: from =E2=80=
=9CUnwritten Law=E2=80=9D to the
Dail Courts=E2=80=99 (Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2005)

Verbal insults and slander is a topic that a number of English and Europe=
an medieval
and early modern historians have been working on, and especially their us=
e by women.
Di Hall has published an important study of this as regards Ireland:

Dianne Hall, =E2=80=98Words as Weapons: Speech, Violence and Gender in La=
te Medieval
Ireland=E2=80=99 in =E2=80=98Eire-Ireland=E2=80=99, 41: 1 & 2 (Spring/Sum=
mer 2006), 122-41

Elizabeth
__________________________________________________
Professor Elizabeth Malcolm

Gerry Higgins Chair of Irish Studies
School of Historical Studies ~ University of Melbourne ~ Victoria, 3010, =
AUSTRALIA
Phone: +61-3-83443924 ~ Email: e.malcolm[at]unimelb.edu.au

President
Irish Studies Association of Australia and New Zealand (ISAANZ)
Website: http://isaanz.org
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Manchester Town Hall, Saturday 7 March 2009
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From: Liam Harte [mailto:Liam.Harte[at]manchester.ac.uk]

Hi All,

Please find below an invitation to my book launch in Manchester next month.

Hope you can come - I'd be delighted to see you there.

All best wishes,

Liam.


The Organisers of the National Irish Studies Conference
and
Palgrave Macmillan
invite you to the launch of

The Literature of the Irish in Britain:
Autobiography and Memoir, 1725-2001
by Liam Harte

Manchester Town Hall,
Albert Square,
Manchester
Saturday 7 March 2009
at
4.30pm

Special Guest Speaker
Professor Maria Luddy,
University of Warwick

RSVP:
irishinbritain[at]googlemail.com
by 20 February 2009


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Literature-Irish-Britain-Autobiography-1725-2001/dp/
1403949875/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223644357&sr=8-1