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This may complicate matters but, according to the late Danny Cassidy (How
the Irish Invented Slang: The Secret Language of the Crossroads), 'hokus'
derives from the Irish language word 'olcas,' meaning mischief, naughtiness,
spite.

Marion R. Casey
Glucksman Ireland House
New York University





On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Thomas J. Archdeacon wrote:

> This sounds very much like what Americans would call the "Holey Pokey." If
> I'm correct, then the connection with "hocus pocus," of whose reputed
> origin
> as a play on "Hoc ..." I've heard, would be even more direct. In the US,
> however, I am not aware of the song's having any sinister connotations. It
> seems to be a party game song here, nothing more nothing less. I wonder if
> it ever carried any derogatory weight here. I just don't know. Catholics
> (and fair-minded) people of all backgrounds could find the "Famine Song"
> offensive, but pushing hard on this one -- especially if there are no
> special lyrics to go with it -- might seem a bit much.
>
> Taking digs at the other side is a respected sports tradition. Last year
> in
> American football, the New England Patriots were hoping for a perfect
> season, which would be 19-0, including playoff games. They, however, lost
> the championship game to the NY Giants, some of whose fans then wore shirts
> with the logo 18-1, with the 1 being an upraised middle finger (the
> American
> version of the UK's two-finger salute). In some contexts, giving the
> finger
> is really provocative; in others, it's a (probably tasteless) joke. From
> afar, I wonder if, at this point, some of the even more vile
> Rangers-Celtics
> stuff represents bed-rock discriminatory feeling, or is it primarily a
> means
> (albeit loutish) to get the goat of the other side, without truly vicious
> intent.
>
> In the movie, "The Devil's Own," Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt are in a NY
> neighborhood bar where Ford and his friends tease each other with ethnic
> slights. I remember things like that happening in my own crowd when I was
> an adolescent. The slights were undoubtedly rooted in some nasty past
> divisions, but they were on a par with the other kinds of banter with which
> young men razz each other. If they had had substantive content, somebody
> would have gotten hit. Of course, in the movie, Pitt makes the point that
> divisions in Northern Ireland are not like divisions in NYC. I suppose I'm
> asking what best represents Scottish (and perhaps English) realities today.
> Are these residual taunts, used in a content that minimizes their meaning,
> or are sporting matches still war by other means?
>
> Tom
>

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Christmas Greetings from President McAleese, December 2008

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every member of the Irish family at home and abroad and to all Ireland's
friends right around the globe.

As this year 2008 comes to a close most of us are reflecting on the =
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changes and global economic turmoil that have occurred in the latter =
half of
the year. Much of the news that we have received recently in Ireland has
been worrisome and we face a more uncertain New Year than we've seen in
quite some time.

Nonetheless, it is now more important than ever to view current events
through the prism of history's long perspective, to remember the
considerable progress that has been achieved in our recent period of
remarkable growth and also to take pride in the lasting legacy of peace =
and
reconciliation that has been accomplished on this island. None of these
things happened by accident but by commitment and they made this =
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Ireland's most capable, problem-solving generation ever.

Facing into the New Year we will need to draw on that generation's =
skills
and our strengths as a nation. Among our best assets are our exceptional
traditions of community involvement and voluntary activities, our =
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through difficulties. We also have the solidarity and support that comes
from membership of the European Union. With these resources we can =
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and
opportunity for all our people.

Christmas is a season of generosity, of gatherings of friends and =
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caring for one another with an even deeper sensitivity. It is our =
special
opportunity to be community to one another and to show our care. I hope
everyone will feel cared for this Christmas in some distinctive way that
showcases the best and most noble traditions of Irish people everywhere.

To each one of you, whether members or friends of Ireland's large clan,
wherever you are, I send my very best wishes for a very Happy Christmas =
and
a peaceful, safe and prosperous New Year.

Beannachta=ED na Nollag =F3n Uachtar=E1n M=E1ire Mhic Ghiolla =CDosa, =
Nollaig 2008

Is m=F3r an ch=FAis =E1thais dom beannachta=ED na Nollag agus na =
hAthbhliana a chur
chuig na baill ar fad de theaghlach na nGael sa bhaile agus thar lear, =
agus
chuig cairde na h=C9ireann ar fud na cruinne.

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ag
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leath den
bhliain, agus ar na hathruithe m=F3ra a tharla d=E1 bharr. Is c=FAis =
bhuartha =ED an
nuacht seo do mhuintir na h=C9ireann, agus beidh an todhcha=ED sa =
bhliain nua
n=EDos =E9iginnte n=E1 mar a bh=ED le tamall maith.

Mar sin f=E9in, t=E1 s=E9 n=EDos t=E1bhachta=ED anois n=E1 mar a bh=ED =
riamh, go
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agus nach
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anuas. N=ED c=F3ir d=FAinn dearmad a dh=E9anamh, ach oiread, ar a bhfuil =
bainte
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tabhairt faoi
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cairde,
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againn an
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phobal. T=E1
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rannph=E1irt=EDocht sin is
dual d=FAinn ar fad sa traidisi=FAn =C9ireannach.

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I seem to recall that 'the hokey-cokey man' sold candy floss (or cotton
candy) at fairgrounds, and I doubt parodying the Mass would have been much
on people's minds. The OED would probably clear this up.

Shona Nollaig

David

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-------Original Message-------

From: Marion Casey
Date: 23/12/2008 21:29:54
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Hokey Cokey Song

This may complicate matters but, according to the late Danny Cassidy (How
the Irish Invented Slang: The Secret Language of the Crossroads), 'hokus'
derives from the Irish language word 'olcas,' meaning mischief, naughtiness,

spite.

Marion R. Casey
Glucksman Ireland House
New York University

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In my earlier post, I made a typo: I should have typed "Hokey Pokey."
I feel silly correcting it several days late, but the typo could have
been misleading to those unfamiliar with the US version.

Tom


On Dec 22, 2008, at 18:25, "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
wrote:

> This sounds very much like what Americans would call the "Holey
> Pokey." If
> I'm correct, then the connection with "hocus pocus," of whose
> reputed origin
> as a play on "Hoc ..." I've heard, would be even more direct. In
> the US,
> however, I am not aware of the song's having any sinister
> connotations. It
> seems to be a party game song here, nothing more nothing less. I
> wonder if
> it ever carried any derogatory weight here. I just don't know.
> Catholics
> (and fair-minded) people of all backgrounds could find the "Famine
> Song"
> offensive, but pushing hard on this one -- especially if there are no
> special lyrics to go with it -- might seem a bit much.
>
> Taking digs at the other side is a respected sports tradition. Last
> year in
> American football, the New England Patriots were hoping for a perfect
> season, which would be 19-0, including playoff games. They,
> however, lost
> the championship game to the NY Giants, some of whose fans then wore
> shirts
> with the logo 18-1, with the 1 being an upraised middle finger (the
> American
> version of the UK's two-finger salute). In some contexts, giving
> the finger
> is really provocative; in others, it's a (probably tasteless) joke.
> From
> afar, I wonder if, at this point, some of the even more vile Rangers-
> Celtics
> stuff represents bed-rock discriminatory feeling, or is it primarily
> a means
> (albeit loutish) to get the goat of the other side, without truly
> vicious
> intent.
>
> In the movie, "The Devil's Own," Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt are in
> a NY
> neighborhood bar where Ford and his friends tease each other with
> ethnic
> slights. I remember things like that happening in my own crowd when
> I was
> an adolescent. The slights were undoubtedly rooted in some nasty past
> divisions, but they were on a par with the other kinds of banter
> with which
> young men razz each other. If they had had substantive content,
> somebody
> would have gotten hit. Of course, in the movie, Pitt makes the
> point that
> divisions in Northern Ireland are not like divisions in NYC. I
> suppose I'm
> asking what best represents Scottish (and perhaps English) realities
> today.
> Are these residual taunts, used in a content that minimizes their
> meaning,
> or are sporting matches still war by other means?
>
> Tom

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STUDIES -DUBLIN-
VOL 97; NUMB 388; 2008
ISSN 0039-3495

pp. 371-377
Homelessness Revisited.
McVerry, P.

p. 378
Casadh Criost dom : a poem.
Muiri, P.O.

pp. 379-386
The Harms of Prison.
O Donnell, I.

pp. 387-402
Child Trafficking and Ireland.
Kanics, J.

pp. 403-412
Living and Learning in the Docklands of Dublin.
Limond, D.

pp. 413-419
Is Religion Dangerous?.
Ward, K.

p. 420
Home to a manger : a poem.
Woods, M.

pp. 421-432
Western Muslims and the Future of Islam.
O Hanlon, G.

pp. 433-444
Charles Taylor's Critique of ``Secularisation'.
Gallagher, M.P.

pp. 445-457
Aid, Governance and Development.
Booth, P.

p. 458
Red Nasturtium: a poem.
Guckian, M.

pp. 459-466
Catholic Revival in the North of Ireland 1603-41, by Brian Mac Cuarta, SJ.
Bradshaw, B.

pp. 467-468
The Irish Celebrating - Festive and Tragic Overtones, edited by M.C.
Considere-Charon et al.
Halligan, B.

pp. 469-471
Revolutionary Lawyers; Sinn Fein and Crown Courts in Ireland and Britain,
1916-1923, by David Foxton.
McNamara, C.

pp. 472-473
Divine Magnetic Lands: A journey in America, by Tim O'Grady.
Sheehan, R.

pp. 474-475
Empty Pulpits: Ireland's Retreat from Religion, by Malachi O'Doherty.
Quinn, D.

pp. 476-478
Evangelicalism and Conflict in Northern Ireland, by Gladys Ganiel.
Hammersley, N.

pp. 479-481
The Playfulness of Gerard Manley Hopkins, by Joseph J. Feeney, SJ.
Moore, M.D.

pp. 482-484
Irish Jansenists, 1600-70: Religion and Politics in Flanders, France,
Ireland and Rome, by Thomas O'Connor.
MacCuarta, B.

pp. 485-487
Reading Joyce, by David Pierce.
Costello, P.

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Paddy - FYI. Documents released by UK National Archives.
Carmel

Britain rejected secret IRA peace talks offer, 1978 archives reveal
In this section >

JOHN BEW and DEAGLAN de BREADUN

THE PROVISIONAL IRA sent a message to the British government in 1978 that it
was willing to enter talks on ending its campaign, according to a sensitive
document released at the UK National Archives in London.

Files from the office of British prime minister James Callaghan describe an
IRA message, "to the effect that it was time to talk and end the present
violence".

Full text at...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1230/1230581469072.html?v
ia=mr


British-Irish tensions revealed in new papers
Tuesday, 30 December 2008 19:30

Tensions between the British and Irish Governments in 1978 have been
revealed in State papers released this morning under the 30-year rule.

The tensions were generated by different approaches to the continuing
upheaval in Northern Ireland.

The papers show that the British government of Jim Callaghan was worried
about what it saw as a more Republican policy being pursued by then
Taoiseach Jack Lynch.

Text at

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1230/north.html

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VICTORIAN STUDIES, 50:4 (Summer 2008)

The Sword and the Prayerbook: Ideals of Authentic Irish Manliness=20
Joseph Nugent
pp. 587-613=20
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Subject Headings:
=95 Masculinity -- Ireland -- History.=20
=95 Masculinity -- Religious aspects -- Catholic Church.=20
=95 Columba, Saint, 521-597 -- Cult -- Ireland.=20

Abstract:=20
As the Catholic Church responded to secular models of the =
nineteenth-century
hero by refurbishing its saints, the Irish Church promoted its native =
saint,
Colmcill, as the sole authentic positive stereotype deserving of the
Irishman's emulation. At a time when the concepts of Irishness and =
manliness
were being contested, the League of St. Columba proposed that the =
physical,
psychological, and spiritual characteristics of Colmcill be materialized =
in
the new Irish youth. By folding the mystical rhetoric of Catholicism =
into
the search for national identity, the League altered the course of Irish
nationalism and inflected the trajectory of Irish masculine development.
While Colmcill's ascendance as an emulatory type was brief, the =
qualities he
was shaped to embody were reinscribed in the Catholic priest, who became
installed as the aspirational model for the youth of Ireland.

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Revealed: how the Sex Pistols shook Ireland

* Henry McDonald, Ireland correspondent
* The Guardian, Wednesday 31 December 2008

They raged against the Queen and the "fascist regime", and noisily =
agitated
for anarchy in the UK. But in the late 1970s the Sex Pistols were =
considered
just as much of a threat to Ireland and its traditional Catholic moral
values, it emerged yesterday, as state papers revealed the extent of
official concern about the prime instigators of the punk revolution.

The Sex Pistols were targeted in a 1978 Irish police investigation aimed =
at
protecting the country's morals, the papers revealed.

At a time when the IRA was intensifying its campaign of bombings and
assassinations the Garda S=EDoch=E1na turned its attention towards =
Johnny
Rotten, Sid Vicious, Steve Jones and Paul Cook and the sale of their =
first
album Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols. The papers =
include a
garda memo on the force's concerns about the title of the band's LP and
whether it breached Ireland's once rigid censorship laws.

"The title on the sleeve ... would indicate that the contents of the =
record
is obscene," a garda inspector wrote.

The album was referred to Ireland's censorship board. The Irish deputy
assistant chief state solicitor suggested the record sleeve might =
contravene
the Indecent Advertisements Act. "However, the penalty on conviction =
cannot
exceed IR=A32 and in all circumstances you may feel that prosecution is =
not
called for," the law officer advised the garda.

The Irish state did not carry out its threat to fine record stores
displaying the album. Soon after, Virgin Records successfully defended
itself against British obscenity charges relating to the LP at =
Nottingham
magistrates court.

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We have, of course, been following the comment and discussion following the
death of Harold Pinter...

Comment in today's Guardian had some Beckett connections...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/pinter

One item - not, it seems, in the web version of the newspaper - involved an
anecdote about Pinter, Beckett, Paris, and bicarbonate of soda...

See page 23 of the G2 section.

And for the IR-D list's little coterie of cricket lovers...

'Harold was a joy'
Shomit Dutta, the captain of Pinter's beloved Gaieties cricket team, on the
erratic batsman who loved to dish out a drubbing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2008/dec/31/harold-pinter-cricket

'...Harold said this story had reduced Samuel Beckett, who was also
passionate about cricket, to fits of laughter.

Harold was inspiring, generous, loyal and in love with cricket. It was a joy
to have his company and a blessing to have his patronage. We shall miss him
unimaginably.'

PLUS

Playwright Harold Pinter's last interview reveals his childhood love of
cricket and why it is better than sex
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2008/dec/26/harold-pinter-final-interview

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(2008-9)

To all registered readers of JSMI

It is my pleasure, on behalf of the Editorial Board, to announce the
publication of the first items in vol. 4 (2008-9) of the *Journal of the
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Table of contents (so far)
Vol. 4 (2008-9)

Christina Bashford (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign)
Review of Michael Murphy and Jan Smaczny (eds), Music in =
Nineteenth-Century
Ireland (Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2007)=20

Paul Collins (Mary Immaculate College, University of Limerick)
Review of Pieter Dirksen, Heinrich Scheidemann=12s Keyboard Music:
Transmission, Style and Chronology (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2007)=20

Robert Wason (Eastman School of Music, University of Rochester)
Review of Henry Burnett and Roy Nitzberg, Composition, Chromaticism and =
the
Developmental Process: A New Theory of Tonality (Aldershot: Ashgate, =
2007)=20

Daniel Shanahan (Trinity College Dublin)
Review of Linda Cummins, Debussy and the Fragment (New York: Chiasma =
Press,
2006)=20

Laura Watson (NUI, Maynooth)
Review of Simon-Pierre Perret and Marie-Laure Ragot, Paul Dukas (Paris:
Fayard, 2007)=20

Wolfgang Marx (University College Dublin)
Review of Fabian Holt, Genre in Popular Music (Chicago and London:
University of Chicago Press, 2007)=20

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From: Patrick Maume
I wonder why St. Columba is singled out here (rather than St. Patrick, or
St. Columbanus?) After all, he was alleged to have started a war and been
exiled as a result. Was this League by any chance Derry-based, or was it
located in scotland (like the present-day Knights of St. Columba, the Irish
men's association corresponding to the American Knights of Columbus and the
Irish Knights of St. Columbanus - The latter was founded by a Down and
Connor priest, and St. Columbanus began his clerical career as a monk of
Bangor - hence, I suspect, the dedication.
Best wishes,
Patrick

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> The following item has been brought to our attention...
>
> VICTORIAN STUDIES, 50:4 (Summer 2008)
>
> The Sword and the Prayerbook: Ideals of Authentic Irish Manliness
> Joseph Nugent
> pp. 587-613
>
> Subject Headings:
> =95 Masculinity -- Ireland -- History.
> =95 Masculinity -- Religious aspects -- Catholic Church.
> =95 Columba, Saint, 521-597 -- Cult -- Ireland.
>
> Abstract:
> As the Catholic Church responded to secular models of the
> nineteenth-century
> hero by refurbishing its saints, the Irish Church promoted its native
> saint,
> Colmcill, as the sole authentic positive stereotype deserving of the
> Irishman's emulation. At a time when the concepts of Irishness and
> manliness
> were being contested, the League of St. Columba proposed that the physica=
l,
> psychological, and spiritual characteristics of Colmcill be materialized =
in
> the new Irish youth. By folding the mystical rhetoric of Catholicism into
> the search for national identity, the League altered the course of Irish
> nationalism and inflected the trajectory of Irish masculine development.
> While Colmcill's ascendance as an emulatory type was brief, the qualities
> he
> was shaped to embody were reinscribed in the Catholic priest, who became
> installed as the aspirational model for the youth of Ireland.
>

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Regarding Patrick's mention of the American Knights of Columbus. I don't=20
see much connection between them and the groups in Ireland. They were=20
founded in New Haven, CT, by Italian-Americans. I think the motive was to =

resist the power of Yale University elites. Today the largest building in =

New Haven is the Knights of Columbus building. Its principal function:=20
insurance.=20

It is true that many Irish-Americans are members of the Knights of=20
Columbus, but its roots were in the Italian community. And Columbus, of=20
course, is Christopher Columbus. Italian-Americans celebrate Columbus Day =

in October as their holiday. The parade in NYC is not quite as large as=20
the St. Patrick's Day parade, but it is large.

Ed Hagan



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From: Patrick Maume
I wonder why St. Columba is singled out here (rather than St. Patrick, or
St. Columbanus?) After all, he was alleged to have started a war and been
exiled as a result. Was this League by any chance Derry-based, or was it
located in scotland (like the present-day Knights of St. Columba, the=20
Irish
men's association corresponding to the American Knights of Columbus and=20
the
Irish Knights of St. Columbanus - The latter was founded by a Down and
Connor priest, and St. Columbanus began his clerical career as a monk of
Bangor - hence, I suspect, the dedication.
Best wishes,
Patrick

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> The following item has been brought to our attention...
>
> VICTORIAN STUDIES, 50:4 (Summer 2008)
>
> The Sword and the Prayerbook: Ideals of Authentic Irish Manliness
> Joseph Nugent
> pp. 587-613
>
> Subject Headings:
> ? Masculinity -- Ireland -- History.
> ? Masculinity -- Religious aspects -- Catholic Church.
> ? Columba, Saint, 521-597 -- Cult -- Ireland.
>
> Abstract:
> As the Catholic Church responded to secular models of the
> nineteenth-century
> hero by refurbishing its saints, the Irish Church promoted its native
> saint,
> Colmcill, as the sole authentic positive stereotype deserving of the
> Irishman's emulation. At a time when the concepts of Irishness and
> manliness
> were being contested, the League of St. Columba proposed that the=20
physical,
> psychological, and spiritual characteristics of Colmcill be materialized =

in
> the new Irish youth. By folding the mystical rhetoric of Catholicism=20
into
> the search for national identity, the League altered the course of Irish
> nationalism and inflected the trajectory of Irish masculine development.
> While Colmcill's ascendance as an emulatory type was brief, the=20
qualities
> he
> was shaped to embody were reinscribed in the Catholic priest, who became
> installed as the aspirational model for the youth of Ireland.
>

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A very interesting article in the Irish Times on the Pension in
Ireland. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1231/123058150452=
1.html

The first old age pension payments 100 years ago transformed the life
of the elderly in Ireland, writes Cormac =D3 Gr=E1da

NEW YEAR'S Day a century ago was truly a red-letter day in the history
of the elderly in Ireland. On that day claimants to the old age
pension - men and women aged 70 or more on annual incomes of =A331 10s
or less - obtained their first payment in post offices throughout the
country. Septuagenarians living on =A321 or less per year were entitled
to five shillings (or =A30.25), with payments decreasing on a sliding
scale for incomes above that. In the event, most Irish pensioners got
the full five shillings per week. That was a decent sum in Ireland at
the time: an Ulster female linen weaver or a Connacht farm labourer,
for example, would have earned only about twice that much in a week.

There was extensive reportage in the national and provincial press of
the first pension day. All accounts conveyed the importance of the
occasion, and several described its sometimes humorous and poignant
aspects. In rural Roscommon neighbours ferried "cartloads of aged
female pensioners" to the post office. In Abbeyfeale one sceptical
old-timer asked the postmistress "if the money was any good". In
Galway two very elderly pensioners wondered out loud why they could
not claim "back time".

In Birr a 93-year-old woman fell ill on the way home from the post
office, "not having been out of doors for many years before". In
Ballymoney "the movements of the pensioners to and from the office
were watched by a large crowd of spectators, but the best of good
humour prevailed".

In Dublin, where many of the female pension claimants seemed under 70,
one "youthful-looking" dame declared indignantly that she had been
present at a celebration of the victory at Balaclava at the Custom
House in 1854 - "not altogether conclusive evidence that she had
passed the 70 limit". According to one report, a "goodly number" of
the ladies seemed to be under 60.

The Freeman's Journal, drawing attention to the numerous Dublin
claimants whose outward appearance suggested people who would not seek
public charity, noted that helping the "genteel poor" was in the
spirit of the legislation.

In neighbouring Kingstown, however, one old lady, who objected to
mixing with her social inferiors in the pension queue, took some
persuading before she stood in line like everybody else. In Waterford,
too, most of the pensioners were "active and healthy, not to say
brisk".

In some places, such as in Ennis and in Gort, the rush for payment
required a police presence to keep order. A Monaghan pensioner showed
his delight by waving his cap over his head and shouting "God save the
King!" In Dublin's Dame Street a couple in their 80s blessed "the
postmistress, the government, and the world in general".

In the nearby GPO the first recipient, one Mrs Ellen Canning of North
Gloucester Place, signed her order with a mark. The inability of
pensioners to sign was a widely noted feature; in Tralee "not one in
40" could sign. To the chagrin of the Belfast Newsletter, some male
pensioners celebrated their new-found wealth with visits to the pub.
An Enniskillen publican stated that business on that first pension day
was as good as on a fair day.

A striking feature of Irish pension claimants is that they far
outnumbered those across the water in relative terms. Tongue-in-cheek,
perhaps, the editor of this newspaper declared that "this was surely a
major tribute to the longevity of our race, and to the healthy
character of our much-abused climate". The truth of course was
different: since their ages could not be proven one way or another,
tens of thousands of Irishmen and Irishwomen aged well under 70 could
not be denied the pension. Throughout the country, old people - and
many not so old - testified to "eating a potato out of hand" on the
night of the "Big Wind" in 1839, so much so that remembering "O=EDche na
Gaoithe M=F3ire" soon had to be discarded as a test of old age. In his
memoirs one long-serving official would later describe "the bent,
decrepit attitude and the high quavering voice peculiar to applicants
for old-age pensions".

The pension was a real boon for the elderly and not-so-elderly poor.
Although one reporter's prediction that it would lead to the
amalgamation of Dublin's two workhouses proved off the mark, the
pension did lead to reduced dependence on the workhouse.

In many poor households the elderly were now a valuable asset,
entitled to added consideration and respect. The pension made
relatives who might previously have consigned them to the workhouse
think again. And, crucially, the pension never acquired the stigma
attached to the "poorhouse".

The pension mattered most in rural western areas. One sign of its
importance was the proposal during the Civil War by the leader of
pro-Treaty forces in the west to suspend it in fractious parts of
Connemara.

He reasoned that the pension had freed "the younger male members of
the family from the assistance hitherto rendered towards the upkeep of
the home". Against advice that such a measure would punish the
innocent pensioner for the misdeeds of a few, finance minister Ernest
Blythe was "for the time being . . . disposed to agree with the
proposed action". A majority of ministers sensibly demurred.

A hard-line and politically unversed Blythe would soon establish an
inextricable connection with the pension, however. In the wake of the
Civil War, the importance of the pension made it seem both a necessary
and dangerous target for fiscal retrenchment. The case for some cut in
pension spending in the circumstances was a cogent one. Quite apart
from the difficult financial situation, there was arguably an
incongruity in Irish pension payments matching those of the United
Kingdom, where GDP per head was two-thirds higher. Small wonder that
the pension absorbed the bulk of what would today be deemed welfare
spending in the Irish Free State, dwarfing by a ratio of 10 to one
outlays on relief schemes, national health insurance and unemployment
insurance.

Blythe's cuts in the budget of 1924 included a shilling off the
pension, along with reduced eligibility and entitlements. This almost
certainly hit the poor hardest. Critics from the Left compared
Blythe's cuts with his concessions to the very rich in the form of
reductions in the super-tax rate on incomes over =A330,000 and in death
duties on larger estates. These "concessions" to the well-heeled may
have been mainly symbolic, but the reduction in income tax from 25 per
cent in 1924 to 15 per cent in 1926 confirmed the regressive direction
of fiscal policy. The fiscal dividend of Blythe was a reduction in
spending on the pension from =A33.2 million in 1924 to =A32.5 million in
1927.

Surgeon-poet Oliver St John Gogarty, a supporter of Blythe and Cumann
na nGaedheal, dismissed the pension as "the vote-catching device of an
English politician", but Blythe's insensitive handling of the pension
cuts would long be remembered as the vote-losing device of an Irish
politician. Less than four years later, a chastened Blythe quietly
restored the cuts made in 1924, but it was the cuts themselves that
would be remembered.

The pension became something of a defining issue between Fianna F=E1il
and Cumann na nGaedheal, and claims that the pension was not safe with
Cumann na nGaedheal featured prominently in Fianna F=E1il's early
electoral campaigns. On assuming power in 1932 Fianna F=E1il capitalised
on Blythe's unpopularity by significantly extending entitlements to
the pension. That Blythe's attempts at fiscal rectitude gained such
lasting unpopularity raises a broader point about fiscal retrenchment,
with ample resonances for 2008 and 2009: highly transparent reductions
in welfare benefits bode ill for those who perpetrate them.

The history of the pension introduced just a century ago was one of
unintended consequences. First, in an era when some in Westminster
were seeking to "kill Home Rule with kindness", the pension was not
framed with Ireland in mind, but was the outcome of a long political
debate in Britain. Yet its consequences would be most dramatic in the
very different setting of rural Ireland.

Secondly, the pension would prove a fiscal nightmare both for the
British administration that introduced it and, in the 1920s, for an
Irish Free State administration that had to live with it.

In the United Kingdom it would spawn a constitutional crisis in 1909 -
in Ireland it would prompt economic measures that earned lasting
notoriety.

Thirdly, although intended to exclude freeloading malingerers, in
Ireland the pension attracted thousands of fraudsters of a different
and unexpected kind.

Fourthly, although intended at first to exclude those whose lack of
character and foresight had left them dependent on the poor law, the
pension would end up by relieving thousands of the indignities of poor
relief. This was perhaps one of its greatest boons.

Finally, to the extent that the pension prompted the elderly owners of
small Irish farms to retire gracefully and pass their land on to their
sons, it will have, though once again unintentionally, improved the
productivity of Irish agriculture by promoting the transfer of land to
younger farmers.

It would be difficult to exaggerate the importance for rural Ireland
of the pensions first distributed just a century ago. Ireland's
relative poverty and the age structure of its population, coupled with
the scope for lying about one's age, ensured that nowhere else in the
United Kingdom would the pension mean as much.

No other welfare measure in 20th century Ireland would match what Sir
Henry Robinson of the Irish Local Government Board would dub,
correctly, "the greatest blessing of all".

=95 Cormac =D3 Gr=E1da is professor of economics at UCD. This article draws
on his "The greatest blessing of all: the old age pension in Ireland",
published in Past Present in 2002

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One can only wonder what the effect of not paying the pension in those
areas occupied by republican forces during the civil war would have
had. I would assume that many of the younger members of the family
would assume that it was attack on the elderly and would perhaps have
fought harder against the Freestate. It is something that I had never
considered before! I now wonder what the situation was in the North
regarding the 'Pension', was it kept at the same level or did it
change etc. What happened to Royal Irish Constabulary Pensions after
independence (I know that the UK transferred 'pensions' and other
benefits issues to 'successor states' just before they became
independent which means that many people who served the 'empire' have
been left more or less penniless - such as Indian soldiers who fought
in the second world war who for for Britain and who don't get a
pension from India and to whom Britain won't pay a pension, however
members of the Indian National Army which fought with the Japanese do
receive pensions from India.) What happened in Ireland?

Muiris

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African Mothers: Rites of Passage and Rights in Citizenship in
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Anthropological Quarterly
Volume 81, Number 4, Fall 2008

Was a=20
SPECIAL ISSUE:
Kids at the Crossroads: Global Childhood and the Role of the State

And included this article

"Irish Babies, African Mothers: Rites of Passage and Rights in =
Citizenship =3D
in Post-Millennial Ireland "
Dianna J. Shandy

Subject Headings:

* Citizenship -- Ireland -- Public opinion.
* Public opinion -- Ireland.
* Children's rights -- Ireland.
* Ireland -- Emigration and immigration -- Government policy.

Abstract:

In June 2004, Ireland underwent a dramatic transformation when the =
citizenry
passed a national referendum limiting access to citizenship by birth in
unprecedented ways. At issue was Ireland's transition from a country
characterized by emigration to one of net immigration. Among the =
immigrants
to Ireland in this period were a certain number of pregnant African =
asylum
seekers, who subsequently gave birth to children with rights to Irish
citizenship. In this setting, immigration debates were literally and
figuratively inscribed on African immigrant women's bodies, and they =
were
the target of verbal and physical assaults. This paper examines this
phenomenon through the discursive lens of rite of passage, and the
renegotiation of relationships brought about by dual rites at work
here=97birth for the children and motherhood for the women. This article
contends, therefore, that while the mothers were publicly demonized, it =
is
these children with their renegotiated status vis-=E0-vis the state that =
are
feared. This paper draws on research in Ireland spanning the period
surrounding the implementation of the referendum in an attempt to =
understand
the linchpin role children play in the complex intersection of the
feminization of migration, citizenship, and the state.

Keywords:
migration, reproduction, women, citizenship, children, rite of passage,
Irish, European Union, racism

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The resurgence of tuberculosis in the Republic of Ireland:
Perceptions and reality
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A number of these early web versions of articles - not yet assigned a place
in the print journal - have appeared in our alerts.

I find that if I wait for certainty I get confused or forgetful. Life,
life...

It seems best to send information out as it comes in, at the risk of later
repetition, when the alerts pop up again.

P.O'S.

Social Science & Medicine
Article in Press, Corrected Proof -

The resurgence of tuberculosis in the Republic of Ireland: Perceptions and
reality

Dennis Pringle
Corresponding Author Contact Information, a, E-mail The Corresponding Author

aDepartment of Geography, National University of Ireland, Maynooth, Co.
Kildare, Ireland

Available online 26 December 2008.

Abstract

Tuberculosis remained a very significant cause of death in Ireland until the
mid-20th century and still occupies a prominent position in the folk memory.
As I show with reference to recent Irish media coverage, the global
resurgence of tuberculosis is therefore viewed with concern in Ireland.
Using data collated by the Health Protection Surveillance Centre between
1998 and 2005 however, I show that the recent increase in tuberculosis
incidence in Ireland is less than is popularly perceived. This increase is
largely associated with economic immigrants attracted to Ireland by the
'Celtic Tiger' economic boom, but there is little evidence to suggest that
this has had a negative impact on the Irish-born population. Drug resistance
is still a small but growing problem. Whilst vigilance is required, it is
argued that the recent increase does not at present indicate a likely return
to the situation in the mid-20th century.

Keywords: Ireland; Tuberculosis; Migrants; Media; Drug resistance;
Immigration
Article Outline

Introduction
Data sources
Incidence rates
The New Irish
HIV infection
Drug resistance
Discussion
Acknowledgements
References

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Subject: Book review, Irene Furlong, Irish Tourism 1880-1980
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Tourism Management
Article in Press, Corrected Proof -=20

Book review

Irene Furlong, Irish Tourism 1880=961980 , Irish Academic Press, Dublin =
(2008)
304 p. ISBN: 978 07165 29453. =A329.95.

Alastair J. Duriea, E-mail The Corresponding Author

aDepartment of History, The University of Stirling, Scotland, FK9 4LA, =
UK

Received 11 November 2008;=20
accepted 14 November 2008.=20
Available online 17 December 2008.

EXTRACT
'This is a very welcome study, which will make compelling reading not =
just
for those interested specifically in the history of tourism in Ireland, =
but
in the universal and complex interplay between tourism and politics,
policies and politicians. It will help the reader to have some grasp of =
the
outline of Irish history beyond the Famine, or 1916 Rising; both the
=91Emergency=92 (World War 2) and the =91Troubles=92 in Northern Ireland =
play major
roles. Tourism in Ireland has never had an easy ride; to the problems of =
a
short season, poor transport, limited accommodation and uneven service, =
were
added other complications, which have badly hamstrung the industry not =
for
months but years. There was the problem of the tensions between the =
North
insisting that it was British and the South that it was not; the =
continuing
friction between green and green in the South, resulting in civil war; =
the
presence of violence, not much conducive to tourists, who dislike =
dodging
bullets, stray or intended. There was often uncertainty whether the =
visitors
from England, a major source of tourists, were to be welcomed in the =
South
or not. In April 1939 anti-English slogans were posted in Killarney by =
the
IRA which was then running a active campaign in Britain. That culminated =
in
a bombing in Coventry, which undid all the good promotional work of the
Irish Tourist Association. There was hostility in some quarters as to =
the
value of tourism. Objections were voiced as to the corrosive cultural =
impact
of tourism on the Irish language and identity, and some significant =
figures
held tourism to be a shoddy business, =91more associated=92 in =
Christopher
Andrews' words =91with national mendicity than with legitimate =
industry=92. And
he was then working for the ITA!

Yet Ireland, particularly the South, needed tourism in economic =
terms...'

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From: "Patrick Maume"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Pension in Ireland

From: Patrick Maume
A couple of interesting points related to Muiris's queries -
My understanding about RIC pensions is that the Irish state took
responsibility for "normal" pensions but had a cut-off date around 1919 or
1920, so that Britain paid for the Black and Tans. I think they were still
paying a few RIC widows' pensions up until about 5-10 years ago.
The newspaper article is a bit simplified in some respects - it doesn't
mention that there was actually a property limit for the pension (hence the
point about encouraging handover of farms to sons). Anyone who has looked
at Hansard for the years immediately before the First World War will find
that one of the major concerns of Irish MPs consists of raising cases where
individual constituents had been refused the pension for various reasons -
including questions about the bona fides of a handover, or proof of age, or
whether the proceeds of a very small holding, whose business might be
primarily non-cash, were equivalent to the amount specified by the
legislation. Such matters were particularly controversial when a pensions
officer appointed by the central Dublin Castle administration overruled
local pensions committees, which were accused of undue leniency beause they
would not be paying it.
One theme of late Home Ruler propaganda on finance was to try to explain
away the obvious benefit to Ireland of British-financed old age pensions by
claiming that these pensions were unnecessarily high because Irish living
standards were lower than British - a point which O Grada's article touches
on. A few years ago I edited an account of a 1912 tour of Ireland by a
British journalist named Harold Begbie, entitled THE LADY NEXT DOOR, which
includes a long conversation with Bishop Denis Kelly of Ross, seen as one o=
f
the leading nationalist financial experts, on this point. Tom Kettle's
writings on the topic, such as THE OPEN SECRET OF IRELAND - now reprinted
with an introduction by Senia Paseta and his pamphlet on HOME RULE FINANCE =
-
take a similar line, and he suggests that Britain should continue to fund
pensions granted before Home Rule as an offset for past overtaxation. I
suspect a Home Rule government might have eventually pursued a similar
course to Blythe's; someone should look at the "middle-class tax revolt"
element in Home Rule politics, and the question of how far the Cosgrave
government's experiences indicate the possible course of events under Home
RUle. (Admittedly, a Home Rule government would not have had to pay th cos=
t
of the Civil War, but it would have had to pay the Irish share of the
British war debt which was written off as part of the Boundary settlement -
and it would have probably been more vulnerable than the Cosgrave governmen=
t
to allegations that its policies were being dictated by British interests.)
Happy New Year,
Patrick Maume

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Muiris Mag Ualghairg wrote:

> A very interesting article in the Irish Times on the Pension in
> Ireland.
> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1231/1230581504521.html
>
> One can only wonder what the effect of not paying the pension in those
> areas occupied by republican forces during the civil war would have
> had. I would assume that many of the younger members of the family
> would assume that it was attack on the elderly and would perhaps have
> fought harder against the Freestate. It is something that I had never
> considered before! I now wonder what the situation was in the North
> regarding the 'Pension', was it kept at the same level or did it
> change etc. What happened to Royal Irish Constabulary Pensions after
> independence (I know that the UK transferred 'pensions' and other
> benefits issues to 'successor states' just before they became
> independent which means that many people who served the 'empire' have
> been left more or less penniless - such as Indian soldiers who fought
> in the second world war who for for Britain and who don't get a
> pension from India and to whom Britain won't pay a pension, however
> members of the Indian National Army which fought with the Japanese do
> receive pensions from India.) What happened in Ireland?
>
> Muiris
>

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I read this with interest and a grim smile, as ever since April I have been
locked in a desultory (on their side) contest with the Pensions people in
Sligo in an attempt to extract my old age pension from them, having turned
65 in 2007. I only mention this because the delays arise from my having made
pensions contributions in England and France and these need to be aggregated
and months of inaction pass, compounded by Sligo sending letters to wrong
addresses. I was even told at one stage that they had decided that I had not
retired, despite being over the compulsory retirement age and even although
one is also forbidden to seek work while the pension is being assessed.
Other IR-D readers who have worked out of Ireland but plan to draw a pension
in the country may need to be alerted to this.

Happy New Year, just the same.

David Rose

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From: Muiris Mag Ualghairg
Date: 02/01/2009 11:44:20
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] The Pension in Ireland

A very interesting article in the Irish Times on the Pension in
Ireland. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1231/1230581504521
html

Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: The Historical Association of Ireland Life and Times New Series,
Launch, TCD, THURSDAY 15th JANUARY 2009
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Subject: HAI Life and Times New Series launch Thurs 15 January 2009

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The Historical Association of Ireland Life and Times New Series=20

THURSDAY 15th JANUARY 2009 at 6pm

VENUE:
OUTSIDE CENTRE FOR IRISH=E2=80=93SCOTTISH=20
AND COMPARATIVE STUDIES=20
6TH FLOOR, ARTS=E2=81=84HUMANITIES BUILDING
TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN 2

THE SERIES WILL BE LAUNCHED=20
BY
GERRY ADAMS=20

new titles include:

Denis Guiney by Peter Costello
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John Mitchel by James Quinn
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ALL WELCOME=20

This series was conceived over a decade ago to place the lives of =
leading figures in Irish history against the background of new research =
on the problems and conditions of their times and modern assessments of =
their historical significance. A new series in association with UCD =
Press offers a wider range of titles with a new format and fuller =
scholarly apparatus. Titles in the old series, along with new titles, =
will also be published by UCD Press in the future.
General Editor: Ciaran Brady.
for further information please contact UCD Press at:
Ph: 01 477 9813
E: ucdpress[at]ucd.ie
W: www.ucdpress.ie