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IRISH POLITICAL STUDIES
VOL 23; NUMBER 3; 2008
ISSN 0790-7184

pp. 411-430
Organic Intellectuals and the New Loyalism: Re-Inventing Protestant
Working-Class Politics in Northern Ireland.
Cassidy, K.

pp. 431-440
Election of the Green Party Cathaoirleach, 2007.
Baker, J.

pp. 441-456
Book Reviews.
Girvin, B.; Guelke, A.; Clark, A.; Whitaker, R.; Ward, E.; Tonge, J.; Dixon,
P.; Garry, J.; McEvoy, J.; Leonard, L.

pp. 341-361
Northern Ireland's District Policing Partnerships and the Participatory
Ideals.
Ryan, B.

pp. 363-385
'Unionist Derry is Ulster's Panama': The Northern Ireland Labour Party and
the Civil Rights Issue.
Edwards, A.

pp. 387-409
Transforming Conflict in Northern Ireland and the Border Counties: Some
Lessons from the Peace Programmes on Valuing Participative Democracy.
Buchanan, S.

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Several interesting contributions!

McWilliams is a populist writer who paints everything in broad strokes.
He is a good commentator on macroeconomics but a lot less sure-footed on
more detailed and nuanced issues. I doubt very much that he knows much
about the GAA. I think Noreen and Joe's contributions are likely to be
much nearer the mark about seasonal club transfers.

There has been a lot of hot air in the media over the past few months on
a 'Return to the Bad Old Days' theme. It's true that there has been a
dramatic decline in the property market and a subsequent loss of jobs.
The knock-on effects are considerable because as recently as 2006 fully
one in four males was employed in construction, the highest percentage
in the EU. In turn that was due to a bizarre and aberrant self-fuelled
property boom in which (as McWilliams himself has pointed out more than
once) we borrowed other people's money to buy and sell ourselves houses
and properties whose values were inflated to absolutely ridiculous
levels - our own house in Cork was valued two years ago at slightest
less than ten times the price we paid for it in 1994. The whole thing
was driven by sentiment, and particularly the belief that prices would
go on increasing. The US subprime crisis put a stop to all that as
credit dried up and property began to fall in value. There is a general
consensus that it has a long way to fall yet and that prices will not
bottom out until 2010 at the earliest. Meanwhile the Government had
become foolishly over-dependent on revenues from property sales and the
slow-down in construction has had a dramatic effect on Government
coffers. All this, combined with an increased lack of competitiveness, a
failure to improve export performance - the only real source of
additional revenue to a national economy - and an unfavourable
international economic outlook, has meant that this year will probably
see economic performance in negative territory for the first time in
many years; next year looks even worse.

All that said, the Irish economy is fundamentally different from the
1980s. Government indebtedness as a % of GDP is now relatively
insignificant whereas it was enormous back then (private indebtedness is
another matter entirely). Large parts of the Irish manufacturing sector
in the 1980 were inherently unviable e.g. here in Cork we had small
scale shipbuilding, textiles, car assembly and the like, none of which
could face the winds of competition and other manufacturers with larger
economies of scale. Without wishing to sound like a cheerleader for
Government policy the Irish economy now is very different - export led
services and high-end manufacturing, for instance, play a much greater
role while agriculture looks set for something of a renaissance as food
production/biofuel issues push prices upwards. Back then unemployment
was in the 17-18% range, now it's something over 5%. Back then fertility
rates were still high and the 1960s baby boom children were entering the
job market just as it was shrinking. Back then productivity was low, but
Irish productivity rates have improved dramatically in the past twenty
years. Back then there were only slightly more than 1m people at work in
the paid economy; now the figure is 2.25m. In sum, while there will be
increases in unemployment and emigration, the fundamentals are very
different.

A word on the CSO stats. They don't disaggregate 'emigration' (i.e.
out-migration by Irish people) from other kinds of out-migration (e.g.
Polish or other EU migrants returning home or moving on). If we look at
the destinations of those migrants, 'UK' and 'Rest of EU15' are
reasonably steady (and presumably mostly Irish) whereas 'EU10' shows a
significant increase from 0.8k in 2005 to 9k in 2008 ( presumably most
if not all of these are returning EU10 migrants, not Irish emigrants).
'Rest of World' has increased from 11.4k in 2001 to 19.8 for 2008 (in
all cases the data is for the year to mid-April) but this includes large
numbers of people going to Australia and New Zealand on 'gap years' and
the like (11,300 is suggested, although this will include some 'real'
emigrants as well) as well as a certain number of returning non-EU
migrant workers.

The Northern Irish economy looks better on paper than the southern one,
as employment is only a little over 4%. But 30% of all employment is in
the public sector, a far higher percentage than in the South or in
Britain.

On balance, there are tough times ahead and the Government in particular
has not managed the boom years wisely, while private credit expanded
hugely in recent years. But I don't see any return to 1980s-level
emigration. What is true though, is that the second most unequal society
in the OECD (the USA, as always, is at the top) continues to produce a
substantial minority of disadvantaged young people, failed by a
class-divided education system and without the skills to survive in the
so-called knowledge economy. As always, they are likely to count for a
disproportionate number of emigrants; the London Olympics construction
boom is not far away.

Piaras
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It is only a very tiny example, but worth a footnote (I think) because it
appears to go against the grain: the Irish characters in The Archers seem t=
o
be sexually unconventional outsiders. I think there have been three. Padd=
y
Redmond, a very long time ago, who fathered a son on Jennifer Archer withou=
t
the preliminary formality of marriage and has never been heard of since;
Siobhan Donovan, who had a son by this same Jennifer's subsequent husband
and later died of cancer back in Co Wicklow; and Ian Craig, who has a civil
partnership with Adam, the said son of Jennifer. There is something to be
teased out here, but I'm damned if I know what.

David

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Editor, THE OSCHOLARS
Pr=E9sident, Soci=E9t=E9 Oscar Wilde en France
1 rue Gutenberg
Paris XV
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In the construction sector there will, inevitably, be significant movement of labour out of Ireland as house-building grinds to a halt after the recent unsustainable boom (the 'Push') and construction for the London-centred 2012 Olympics gets under way (the'Pull').

Once again there will be large numbers of young unskilled labourers emigrating who rashly abandoned formal education to access the ready cash then on offer in the construction sector. Unlike their 'Eighties and 'Fifties predecessors, however, this generation will be competing in Britain with their counterparts from Poland and elsewhere. Already anecdotal evidence suggests that the Eastern Europeans are undercutting the Irish at the 'hiring stands'!

In the Nineteen Fifties large numbers of Irish emigrated with few skills and little formal education - yet they were expected to 'make good' regardless and faithfully remit money to their needy families in Ireland. Few, to their eternal credit, ignored this obligation but nevertheless it was an option...

In the Nineteen Eighties equally large numbers of Irish emigrated, also with few financial resources, but in many cases they went equipped with good second and third level qualifications and a degree of media-driven prior acculturation which made the transition to the host society much less traumatic than previously. These emigrants however (the 'Ryanair Generation'), although far better prepared than their predecessors, seemed to feel under no obligation whatsoever to share their good fortune with those left behind.

The Irish leaving now differ from their predecessors in one critical and unprecedented respect: namely that,in many cases, they will leave carrying a significant burden of personal debt, accummulated in the era of easy credit, and this time, in our globalised world, they will not be able to ignore it.

Watch this space...

Ultan






----- "Patrick O'Sullivan" wrote:
> From: "Noreen Bowden"
> To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] Emigration Once Again
>
> I thought this article was fascinating but his analysis is really
> flawed
> this time - he's comparing this year's winter and summer transfers. If
> he
> had instead
> looked at the summer transfers over a number of years he'd have seen
> that
> there's a surge in international transfers every summer. Players often
> go
> over temporarily to play for the summer.
>
> I don't have time to run the numbers but the montly stats are
> available i=
> n
> Excel files under "club transfers" at
> http://www.gaa.ie/page/archives.htm=
> l
> I just checked July 07 and July 02 and it looked like well over
> three-quarters of the transfers were international for both of those
> mont=
> hs.
>
> Of course, the CSO stats are out today showing that emigration was up
> aga=
> in
> this year - to 45,300 people leaving, while immigration was down to
> 83,80=
> 0.
> All the info on that is at
> http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/population/current/popmi=
> g.pdf
>
> Noreen Bowden
> Director
> =C9an - The Emigrant Advice Network
> a: 30 Carmichael House, North Brunswick Street, Dublin 7
> t: +353 1 8779011
> m: 087 211 1397
> e: noreen[at]emigrantnetwork.ie
> w: http://www.ean.ie
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "MacEinri, Piaras"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:49 AM
> Subject: [IR-D] Emigration Once Again
>
>
> It looks like a new Diaspora may be in the making.
> That said, I would take excitable talk like this with more than a
> pinch
> of salt until better data is available.. This is not the 1980s and
> the
> economic indicators are very different.
>
> Piaras
>
>
>
> Paddy's leaving again as GAA leads to foreign field
>
> By David McWilliams
>
> Wednesday August 20 2008
>
> Young men from GAA clubs all around the country are moving to clubs
> in
> London and New York

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Dear Patrick,
=20
Thank you so much for the references and your kind offer, would you mind =
sending me the report as an attachment?=20
=20
Warmest regards,
Maria=20
=20
**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,=20
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

________________________________

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Maria,

1.
Have you looked at this?

Pemberton, Simon, and Jennifer Mason. 2007. Uncovering the "Invisible"
Minority: Irish Communities, Economic Inactivity and Welfare Policy in =
the
United Kingdom. European Planning Studies 15 (10):1439-1459.

2.
Russell Murray and I did a little research report a few years ago, on =
the
research record on the needs of Irish people in England, and on the ways =
in
which the Irish voluntary organisations were required to use that =
research
record in funding bids. My colleagues here want me to turn that =
research
report into 2, or was it 3?, journal articles. But of course...=20

Anyway, you are welcome to have a copy of that report, as an email
attachment, if you think it might be helpful.

Paddy

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To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] Irish Service users in the UK

Dear All,

One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the =
Irish
in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't use =
Irish
Services. At present the only material we can find relating to this
concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any pointers =
on
research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish migrants with
other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?

Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.

All best wishes,
Maria Power=20

**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

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Dear All,
=20
Thank you to everyone that provided me with suggestions for reading on =
this topic.=20
=20
Best wishes,
Maria=20
=20
**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,=20
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

________________________________

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If you check out Brent Irish Mental Health Services on the WEB you may
find some stuff of interest: I don't know the details: what black and
ethnicity texts there are ususally leave the Irish out to the a
annoyance of some (Irish) satisfaction of others.

Liam Clarke =20

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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:27 AM
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I've never heard of 'Irish Services' in the UK! What are they?

2008/8/15 Power, Maria :
> Dear All,
>
> One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the
Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't
use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to
this concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any
pointers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish
migrants with other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
>
> All best wishes,
> Maria Power
>
> **************
> Dr. Maria Power
> Institute of Irish Studies,
> University of Liverpool
> +44 1517943602
>
>
>

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Dear Maria=2C
I did a very small piece of research for my Irish studies degree on Irish c=
arers of children with disabilities in Britain and it touched on accessing =
Irish services. If your student would like to contact me directly=2C I wou=
ld be happy to email him. The information is probably out of date as the re=
search was in 1998. I found that Irish services had not been contacted by =
carers of young children and it seemed an area that had been overlooked by =
these services. I found the Kings Fund library was an invaluable resource a=
nd they posted me documents=2C for a small fee=2C they are worth contacting=
.
Good luck
Siobh=E1n Maguire



> Date: Fri=2C 22 Aug 2008 09:01:56 +0100> From: M.C.Power[at]LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>=
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59> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Subject: Re: [IR-D] Irish Service users in the=
UK> > > > If you check out Brent Irish Mental Health Services on the WEB y=
ou may> find some stuff of interest: I don't know the details: what black a=
nd> ethnicity texts there are ususally leave the Irish out to the a> annoya=
nce of some (Irish) satisfaction of others.> > Liam Clarke > > -----Origina=
l Message-----> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [mailto:IR-D[at]JISCMAIL=
.AC.UK] On> Behalf Of Muiris Mag Ualghairg> Sent: Monday=2C August 18=2C 20=
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rs in the UK> > I've never heard of 'Irish Services' in the UK! What are th=
ey?> > 2008/8/15 Power=2C Maria :> > Dear All=2C=
> >> > One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on th=
e> Irish in the UK=2C concentrating particularly on why some of them don't>=
use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to> =
this concentrates on mental health services=2C would anyone have any> point=
ers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish> migrants =
with other Irish services (e.g. housing=2C social services etc)?> >> > Than=
k you very much in advance for your help with this.> >> > All best wishes=
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I wonder if the list might suggest how I proceed with a small research quer=
y.

Higher-ups here at the University of St Thomas have asked me whether anyone=
knows the exact location of the birthplace of Archbishop John Ireland (the=
school's founder), who was born in Burnchurch, County Kilkenny, in 1839.

Our university archives, the diocesan archives, and Marvin O'Connell's defi=
nitive biography do not tell anything beyond the fact that it was a stone h=
ouse. (John Ireland's sister, a nun, burned all of the family papers.)

I have a vague notion that there is already an historical marker at the si=
te, and that that was dedicated by our own college president sometime aroun=
d 1955 - but I've found nothing that confirms this recollection.

Dos the list have any ideas on where I should look next? I do not want to =
do primary research on this matter -only to know if it's already known.

Feel free to reply off-list if you prefer - jrogers[at]stthomas.edu

Jim Rogers

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Forwarded On Behalf Of Maria Luddy...

Sixteenth Conference
of
Irish Historians in Britain

Women, Gender and Nation

University of Warwick

12-14 September, 2008


Convenors:

Dr Ian McBride (King's College London)
Professor Maria Luddy (University of Warwick)


Speakers include Toby Barnard, Roy Foster, James Kelly, Anne Laurence,
Oonagh Walsh, and Lindsey Earner-Byrne

For further information please contact Tracy Horton as
T.Horton[at]warwick.ac.uk

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A friend has sent us an article:

Quiet Man fans can sup a stout in the film's pub

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/quiet-man-fans-can-sup
-a-stout-in-the-filmrsquos-pub-13948528.html

A replica of the original pub that featured in The Quiet Man film has been
built by fans in Co Mayo.

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From: Dymphna Lonergan [mailto:dymphna.lonergan[at]flinders.edu.au]=20

Dear Paddy

I seem to recall from past discussions frustration over the lack of good
primary evidence for the 'No Irish Need Apply' form of anti-Irish
discrimination.The following may be of interest:

The Adelaide Times December 18, 1855 (1d)=20
Wanted
Wanted, a general servant who can Cook and Wash well. No Irish need =
apply.
Mrs. E. Wright, South-Terrace

The following week a letter to the editor from 'An Irishman' takes =
exception
to this form of discrimination and suggests that it is confined to the
Wright family who 'have commenced a crusade against the Irish'. He =
offers,
by contrast, a recent claim by the member of North Adelaide that 'the =
best
servant he ever had was an Irish girl'. The week after, another
correspondence also decries the discrimination in the advertisement and
suggests the phrase be replaced by 'No one from the Government location =
need
apply'. This correspondent's objection is to the system of orphan
immigration sponsorship by the government that is leading to =
prostitution in
Adelaide when there is no suitable employment available for the newly
arrived females.


--=20

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Forwarded on behalf of

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I am writing to you from Johannesburg, South Africa, where I'm doing some r=
esearch towards a documentary film that looks at the British Lions' rugby t=
our of South Africa that took place in 1974.

The Lions' team was captained by the Irishman William James McBride who, du=
ring the 60's, had played for the Ireland national rugby union team (featur=
ing players from both the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern Ireland).=
=20

Unlike football which was divided along partisan lines in Ireland, rugby wa=
s not. Regarding the tour of South Africa in 1974, McBride maintained tha=
t rugby had a 'unifying' effect in Ireland and might have the same in apart=
heid South Africa.

So, I wondering about the IRA's stance on rugby in Ireland during the 70's.=
How would they have felt about McBride's assertions? I was wondering if y=
ou knew of any academics who might have looked at the social history of rug=
by in Ireland in relation to the IRA?

I'd be grateful for any thoughts you might have ...

Thanks a lot, all the best, C

--=20
Catherine Muller
+27 (0) 83 25 71 971
Skype: cathmuller
cathmuller[at]mweb.co.za



--=20
Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland.
The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland,=20
number SC 011159.

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Dear Catherine,

I don't have a detailed answer to your question, but Donal McCracken at
Durban-Westville would, I am sure, provide good advice about where to
start, as might Kader Asmal.

D. M. Scher contributed an essay to Donal's edited collection; Ireland and
South Africa in Modern Times and Tom Lodge referred to the tour (I think)
in a fairly recent article in History Ireland.

Almost certainly you will find IRA/Sinn Fein hostility, some of it
tradional feeling against what some perceived to be a `garrison' or
`West-Brit' sport, based partly on Gaelic Athletic Association hostility
and partly on the fact that rugby generally was regarded as a sport played
by Protestant and `posh' Catholic private schools. My own home town of
Limerick was and is a great exception to this. Rugby has traditionally
been played across all social classes - a bit like South Wales - and has
been likened to a religion. Locals appeared to see no contradiction
between love of rugby and nationalism (De Valera himself had, at Blackrock
College, been a keen rugby player too!).

When the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement, supported by such republican
activists as Bernadette Devlin, arrived in force in Limerick to oppose the
1970 Tour, there was great hostility directed towards them, such was the
love of rugby. I doubt if at that stage the potential role of rugby as a
unifying force entered into those who supported the tour.

Incidentally, there was a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the 1974 Lions' Tour,
which focused considerably on Willie John MacBride.

I hope this is of some assistance.

Best wishes,
Donal

Dr Donal Lowry FRHistS
Reader in History
Oxford Brookes University
Oxford OX3 OBP


> I am writing to you from Johannesburg, South Africa, where I'm doing some
> research towards a documentary film that looks at the British Lions' rugby
> tour of South Africa that took place in 1974.
>
> The Lions' team was captained by the Irishman William James McBride who,
> during the 60's, had played for the Ireland national rugby union team
> (featuring players from both the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern
> Ireland).
>
> Unlike football which was divided along partisan lines in Ireland, rugby
> was not. Regarding the tour of South Africa in 1974, McBride maintained
> that rugby had a 'unifying' effect in Ireland and might have the same in
> apartheid South Africa.
>
> So, I wondering about the IRA's stance on rugby in Ireland during the
> 70's. How would they have felt about McBride's assertions? I was
> wondering if you knew of any academics who might have looked at the social
> history of rugby in Ireland in relation to the IRA?
>
> I'd be grateful for any thoughts you might have ...
>
> Thanks a lot, all the best, C
>
> --
> Catherine Muller
> +27 (0) 83 25 71 971
> Skype: cathmuller
> cathmuller[at]mweb.co.za
>
>
>
> --
> Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland.
> The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland,
> number SC 011159.
>

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* *Let's not forget that rugby is far from being the "unifying" force=20
that it is portrayed as being in the original post here. The non=20
playing of /Amhr=E1n na bhFiann/ - the Irish National Anthem - at=20
international rugby matches is certainly not without critics and=20
sometimes downright anger amongst Irish rugby fans. When the rugby=20
internationals were played recently in Croke Park -- Landsdown Rd is=20
being renovated - the GAA insisted that /Amhr=E1n na bhFiann /must be=20
played inside the stadium and it was sung loudly by both fans and team. =20
Most fans that I know think that it should be permitted at every match=20
but the fact that the Irish rugby team includes players from Northern=20
Ireland precludes this for apparently sensitive reasons. This whole=20
Ireland team has little to do with contemporary politics -- or a=20
unifying ethos - but goes back to the founding of the Rugby Union which=20
was before partition. But just sit in a group of rugby fans in Ireland=20
and you will get a heated discussion going about the non playing of the=20
Irish Anthem!

Soccer in Ireland has developed under FIFA and so the Irish teams are=20
divided along "state" lines. Incidentally one of the the reasons that=20
the British do not send a soccer team to the Olympics has to do with not=20
giving FIFA ideas that Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are not in=20
fact countries and that maybe a UK soccer team ought to be organized for=20
FIFA internationals.

Carmel

**
Muiris Mag Ualghairg wrote:
> I know this isn't quite answering the question, but General Hackett
> wrote a couple of books about the 'Third World War' where he drew up
> possible scenarios of how that war would go and in one of them peace
> 'breaks out' in Ireland because of a rugby match - one of the players
> (probably the captain), a protestant, confronts some IRA members who
> have come on to the pitch for a propaganda coup and he basically
> belittles them and unmasks them and then says something along the
> lines of 'they are only children'. This resonates well with the crowd
> and with the community in the south and he is thrust forward as a sort
> of peace ambassador and helps to bring peace to Ireland. This is more
> or less an aside in book (and I'm afraid I can't remember which of the
> books it was as he updated his war plans to take into account new
> situations in NATO and Russia and the world). However, it does show
> that at least one leading British General with extensive experience of
> Northern Ireland was aware of the role of rugby in Ireland as a whole
> island team.
>
> There is an extensive article on Hackett at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Winthrop_Hackett_Junior
>
>
>
>
> 2008/8/26 Joe Bradley :
> =20
>> I am writing to you from Johannesburg, South Africa, where I'm doing s=
ome research towards a documentary film that looks at the British Lions' =
rugby tour of South Africa that took place in 1974.
>>
>> The Lions' team was captained by the Irishman William James McBride wh=
o, during the 60's, had played for the Ireland national rugby union team =
(featuring players from both the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern =
Ireland).
>>
>> Unlike football which was divided along partisan lines in Ireland, rug=
by was not. Regarding the tour of South Africa in 1974, McBride maintai=
ned that rugby had a 'unifying' effect in Ireland and might have the same=
in apartheid South Africa.
>>
>> So, I wondering about the IRA's stance on rugby in Ireland during the =
70's. How would they have felt about McBride's assertions? I was wonderi=
ng if you knew of any academics who might have looked at the social histo=
ry of rugby in Ireland in relation to the IRA?
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any thoughts you might have ...
>>
>> Thanks a lot, all the best, C
>>
>> --
>> Catherine Muller
>> +27 (0) 83 25 71 971
>> Skype: cathmuller
>> cathmuller[at]mweb.co.za
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland.
>> The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland,
>> number SC 011159.
>>
>> =20
>
> .
>
> =20

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I know this isn't quite answering the question, but General Hackett
wrote a couple of books about the 'Third World War' where he drew up
possible scenarios of how that war would go and in one of them peace
'breaks out' in Ireland because of a rugby match - one of the players
(probably the captain), a protestant, confronts some IRA members who
have come on to the pitch for a propaganda coup and he basically
belittles them and unmasks them and then says something along the
lines of 'they are only children'. This resonates well with the crowd
and with the community in the south and he is thrust forward as a sort
of peace ambassador and helps to bring peace to Ireland. This is more
or less an aside in book (and I'm afraid I can't remember which of the
books it was as he updated his war plans to take into account new
situations in NATO and Russia and the world). However, it does show
that at least one leading British General with extensive experience of
Northern Ireland was aware of the role of rugby in Ireland as a whole
island team.

There is an extensive article on Hackett at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Winthrop_Hackett_Junior




2008/8/26 Joe Bradley :
> I am writing to you from Johannesburg, South Africa, where I'm doing some research towards a documentary film that looks at the British Lions' rugby tour of South Africa that took place in 1974.
>
> The Lions' team was captained by the Irishman William James McBride who, during the 60's, had played for the Ireland national rugby union team (featuring players from both the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern Ireland).
>
> Unlike football which was divided along partisan lines in Ireland, rugby was not. Regarding the tour of South Africa in 1974, McBride maintained that rugby had a 'unifying' effect in Ireland and might have the same in apartheid South Africa.
>
> So, I wondering about the IRA's stance on rugby in Ireland during the 70's. How would they have felt about McBride's assertions? I was wondering if you knew of any academics who might have looked at the social history of rugby in Ireland in relation to the IRA?
>
> I'd be grateful for any thoughts you might have ...
>
> Thanks a lot, all the best, C
>
> --
> Catherine Muller
> +27 (0) 83 25 71 971
> Skype: cathmuller
> cathmuller[at]mweb.co.za
>
>
>
> --
> Academic Excellence at the Heart of Scotland.
> The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland,
> number SC 011159.
>

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Dear all,

I am a graduate student in history at NYU, working on a dissertation
that examines the circulation of information about the Irish famine
of the 1840s. I am finding plenty of available periodical sources,
but am somewhat lacking in evidence of the famine in personal
communication - outside of the few published collections of immigrant
letters. In particular, I am looking for contemporary letter
collections which contain correspondence to or from Ireland in the
mid to late-1840s. I am hoping to use these letters to reconstruct
the networks which carried news of the famine out of Ireland. Any
references to Ireland would be helpful, although specific references
to the famine would be ideal. Can anyone on the list suggest
archives that might contain such collections?

Thanks for your time,

Anelise

Anelise Shrout
Atlantic World History
New York University
ahs4[at]nyu.edu

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I've found a fair number of such immigrants' correspondence, most
(but not all of them) from public archives in Ireland or the US and
Canada.

A few of them are typed on files in my computer and I can send them
as e-mail attachments. Most, however, are not.

If you go through the Famine chapter in my EMIGRANTS & EXILES, you
can identify some of the pertinent letters and (in the notes) find
their archive sources.

I'm too busy to hunt through my letters and send you materials, but
you'd be more than welcome to visit and hunt yourself (I have
annotated lists of most of them, which will speed your work). Many
scholars, grad. students, etc., have done this profitably.

You've checked with Marion Casey at NYU's Ireland House? Her
Irish-American Archive at NYU may contain additional materials.

Also, I think (for a small fee?) you can get access on-line to the
letter collections typed into a data base at archives at the
Ulster-American Folk Park, Omagh, Co. Tyrone.

Kerby Miller
University of Missouri




>Dear all,
>
>I am a graduate student in history at NYU, working on a dissertation
>that examines the circulation of information about the Irish famine
>of the 1840s. I am finding plenty of available periodical sources,
>but am somewhat lacking in evidence of the famine in personal
>communication - outside of the few published collections of
>immigrant letters. In particular, I am looking for contemporary
>letter collections which contain correspondence to or from Ireland
>in the mid to late-1840s. I am hoping to use these letters to
>reconstruct the networks which carried news of the famine out of
>Ireland. Any references to Ireland would be helpful, although
>specific references to the famine would be ideal. Can anyone on the
>list suggest archives that might contain such collections?
>
>Thanks for your time,
>
>Anelise
>
>Anelise Shrout
>Atlantic World History
>New York University
>ahs4[at]nyu.edu

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Dear Anelise,

May I suggest:


The Prendergast letters : correspondence from famine-era Ireland,
1840-1850 / edited by Shelley Barber. Published Amherst : University
of Massachusetts Press, c2006. x, 202 p. : maps, facsims. ; 23 cm.


Best wishes,
Brian


B O Conchubhair, PhD
Assistant Professor,
Dept. of Irish Language and Literature,
University of Notre Dame,
Notre Dame,
IN 46556,
USA
On 8/26/08, Anelise Shrout wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am a graduate student in history at NYU, working on a dissertation that
> examines the circulation of information about the Irish famine of the 1840s.
> I am finding plenty of available periodical sources, but am somewhat
> lacking in evidence of the famine in personal communication - outside of the
> few published collections of immigrant letters. In particular, I am looking
> for contemporary letter collections which contain correspondence to or from
> Ireland in the mid to late-1840s. I am hoping to use these letters to
> reconstruct the networks which carried news of the famine out of Ireland.
> Any references to Ireland would be helpful, although specific references to
> the famine would be ideal. Can anyone on the list suggest archives that
> might contain such collections?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Anelise
>
> Anelise Shrout
> Atlantic World History
> New York University
> ahs4[at]nyu.edu
>