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Dear All,
=20
One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the =
Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't =
use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to =
this concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any =
pointers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish =
migrants with other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?=20
=20
Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.=20
=20
All best wishes,
Maria Power =20
=20
**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,=20
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

=20

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Dear Friends,

Last night I was watching a news wrap up of Irish Fest, the annual Milwauke=
e Irish music and culture festival. One of the stories was on tug of war co=
ntests and one of the participants claimed that this was an extremely popul=
ar sport in Ireland. Once again, I betray my ignorance of all things Irish =
by writing to ask if any list members can confirm this claim.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English

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Some time ago - to be exact, Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:41:49 - John FitzGerald
gave us an interesting outline of experiences and sources in researching the
Irish of Newfoundland. I particularly remember one part of John's
cautionary tale - his discovery that microfilm of original documents had
been, in a sense, pre-edited. Information of no interest to the
commissioner of the microfilm had been excluded. Like Irish family names...


One of the sources John mentioned is now a published book, and is also
freely available on the web, through Columbia University Press's Gutenberg-e
project.

http://www.gutenberg-e.org/keough/index.html

Willeen Keough's book is a very useful addition to the research literature
on Irish women, showing how you must really squeeze the archive sources.

There is one oddity about Columbia University Press's web site. Since our
source here is ostensibly a published book - rather than a web site as such
- I would like a year of publication. A year of publication would be a good
thing anyway, as an indication of the research process stop point. I cannot
find a year. Anywhere. Columbia University Press's introduction says 'We
are pleased to announce that as of November 1st, www.Gutenberg-e.org will be
available at no charge to all users...' No year...

I will contact Columbia University Press, and ask the obvious questions.

There is other material of interest on www.Gutenberg-e.org - including
Joshua R. Greenberg, Advocating The Man: Masculinity, Organized Labor, and
the Household in New York, 1800-1840. It is a study of the Loco Focos - and
offers a useful outline and critique of the research literature on men and
masculinity.

P.O'S.


The Slender Thread
Irish Women on the Southern Avalon, 1750-1860
by Willeen Keough


Table of Contents
Acknowledgments Abbreviations Preface
1. Picking Up the Thread 2. The Slender Thread Cast Off: Migration &
Reception 3. Ciphering Ciphers: Tracing Irish Women 4. "A good, hard-working
stump of a girl": Work and Identity 5. "She made the cannonballs, and he
fired them": Informal Power 6. "Humbel" Petitioners and "Litigeous" Persons:
Formal Justice 7. "Whilst Grass Grows or Water Run": Testation Practices 8.
"To fix [their] character. in virtue and innocence": Women's Sexuality 9.
The "Other" Woman on the Southern Shore 10. The Slender Thread Cast On
Map of Southern Avalon Bibliography Glossary Case File Archive Appendix A:
Plebeian and Elite Communities Appendix B: Historiography, Sources, Study
Area, and Naming Patterns Appendix C: Women's Presence in the Mercantile
Accounts Appendix D: Marital and Other Family Arrangements in Ferryland
District Appendix E: Partial Family Tree, Carter-Morry Families

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I've never heard of 'Irish Services' in the UK! What are they?

2008/8/15 Power, Maria :
> Dear All,
>
> One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to this concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any pointers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish migrants with other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
>
> All best wishes,
> Maria Power
>
> **************
> Dr. Maria Power
> Institute of Irish Studies,
> University of Liverpool
> +44 1517943602
>
>
>

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If you check out Brent Irish Mental Health Services on the WEB you may
find some stuff of interest: I don't know the details: what black and
ethnicity texts there are ususally leave the Irish out to the a
annoyance of some (Irish) satisfaction of others.

Liam Clarke =20

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I've never heard of 'Irish Services' in the UK! What are they?

2008/8/15 Power, Maria :
> Dear All,
>
> One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the
Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't
use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to
this concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any
pointers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish
migrants with other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
>
> All best wishes,
> Maria Power
>
> **************
> Dr. Maria Power
> Institute of Irish Studies,
> University of Liverpool
> +44 1517943602
>
>
>

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Dear Muiris,=20
=20
Irish Services would be the equivalent of social services where Irish =
migrants would be able to access advice regarding housing, welfare =
benefits, mental health problems, finance or legal problems etc. A good =
example of this would be the Irish Centre in Haringey (North London) =
which has an Irish Elders service, helping retired Irish people access =
all the benefits they are entitled to both in the UK and in Ireland. =
(I'm not sure if this is still open, I know it was threatened by funding =
cuts about 5 years ago).
=20
I hope this sheds some light on the issue for you,
Warmest regards,
Maria=20
=20
**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,=20
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

________________________________

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I've never heard of 'Irish Services' in the UK! What are they?

2008/8/15 Power, Maria :
> Dear All,
>
> One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the =
Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't =
use Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to =
this concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any =
pointers on research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish =
migrants with other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
>
> All best wishes,
> Maria Power
>
> **************
> Dr. Maria Power
> Institute of Irish Studies,
> University of Liverpool
> +44 1517943602
>
>
>

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Maria,

1.
Have you looked at this?

Pemberton, Simon, and Jennifer Mason. 2007. Uncovering the "Invisible"
Minority: Irish Communities, Economic Inactivity and Welfare Policy in the
United Kingdom. European Planning Studies 15 (10):1439-1459.

2.
Russell Murray and I did a little research report a few years ago, on the
research record on the needs of Irish people in England, and on the ways in
which the Irish voluntary organisations were required to use that research
record in funding bids. My colleagues here want me to turn that research
report into 2, or was it 3?, journal articles. But of course...

Anyway, you are welcome to have a copy of that report, as an email
attachment, if you think it might be helpful.

Paddy

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Dear All,

One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the Irish
in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't use Irish
Services. At present the only material we can find relating to this
concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any pointers on
research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish migrants with
other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?

Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.

All best wishes,
Maria Power

**************
Dr. Maria Power
Institute of Irish Studies,
University of Liverpool
+44 1517943602

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I'm not sure if 'extremely' popular would be the right wording, but ya, i=
t=20
is something that some people are into, and there are all sorts of=20
competitions around the country - plus Irish teams compete at internation=
al=20
level as well. Look at the Irish Tug of War Association for more=20
information -- http://irishtugofwar.com/

I speak as a grand-niece of Patrick Philbin, a silver medallist in the=20
controversial 1908 Olympics tug-of-war competition. (A Mayoman on the=20
Liverpool team - one of those policemen accused of wearing special shoes =
by=20
the defeated American team (whose protest was rejected, I might add!).)=20
We've still got the silver medal in my family.

Regards,
Noreen

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Dear Friends,

Last night I was watching a news wrap up of Irish Fest, the annual Milwau=
kee=20
Irish music and culture festival. One of the stories was on tug of war=20
contests and one of the participants claimed that this was an extremely=20
popular sport in Ireland. Once again, I betray my ignorance of all things=
=20
Irish by writing to ask if any list members can confirm this claim.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English

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Hello Michael

Don't know whether the tug of war can legitimately be described as being 'extremely popular' at the present time throughout Ireland but certainly in south Wexford, where I now live, it is still commonplace.

Local agricultural festivals - traditional ploughing matches, horse fairs, etc., often feature a tug of war, pitting townland against townland. These rivalries would be long-lived and keen...

Ultan Cowley
----- "Michael Gillespie" wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Last night I was watching a news wrap up of Irish Fest, the annual
> Milwaukee Irish music and culture festival. One of the stories was on
> tug of war contests and one of the participants claimed that this was
> an extremely popular sport in Ireland. Once again, I betray my
> ignorance of all things Irish by writing to ask if any list members
> can confirm this claim.
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Patrick Gillespie
> Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English

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Dear Michael=2C
I am sure it is=2C or was=2C popular in Ireland. But my husband=2C a Galwa=
y man living in London=2C was in a tug-o-war team until the 1990's. His te=
am won the world championships in Ireland in 1984(?). His neighbour=2C mar=
ried to his cousin=2C in Cleggan=2C Galway=2C was in a female tug-o-war tea=
m. There were many Irish teams in London=2C most of them were attached/spo=
nsored by pubs. My husband's team was made up with Galway and Mayo men=2C =
many of the Galway men were Irish speakers=2C and they were sponsored by th=
e Crown=2C Archway=2C London. They trained three nights a week=2C in a par=
k in the Holloway Road. There was another team called the Prince Arthur=2C=
this team was also Galway/Mayo/West of Ireland men=2C he was a member of t=
his team for a while. They were based in Green Lanes=2C Finsbury Park=2C L=
ondon. They used to go all around the country in England. He had a cousin=
who was involved in a team from outside of London=2C High Wycombe=2C I thi=
nk. This was also an Irish team. They 'pulled' against police teams and o=
ther teams sponsored by companies but the Irish=2C it seemed to me=2C were =
a significant force in the league. They would compete on Sundays at fair d=
ays across the country=2C during the summer. They would win trophies and ch=
eap gifts - winning was the reward. Most of the men who took part were man=
ual workers.
It would be an interesting topic for research=2C particularly an aspect of =
the Diaspora that may have been overlooked. If anyone is interested=2C let=
me know.
Regards
Siobh=E1n Maguire=20



> Date: Mon=2C 18 Aug 2008 08:29:40 -0500> From: michael.gillespie[at]MARQUETT=
E.EDU> Subject: [IR-D] tug of war> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > Dear Friends=
=2C> > Last night I was watching a news wrap up of Irish Fest=2C the annual=
Milwaukee Irish music and culture festival. One of the stories was on tug =
of war contests and one of the participants claimed that this was an extrem=
ely popular sport in Ireland. Once again=2C I betray my ignorance of all th=
ings Irish by writing to ask if any list members can confirm this claim.> >=
Michael> > Michael Patrick Gillespie> Louise Edna Goeden Professor of Engl=
ish
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Maria

Bronwen Walter and I comment on this in the report, Discrimination and the
Irish Community in Britain, that we wrote for the Commission for Racial
Equality in 1997. We found then, mid-late 1990s, in interviews based on a
random, cold-calling survey that very few people in London and Birmingham
used Irish services - see sections 4.3.3 and 4.3.4 for more on the issue.

best, Mary Hickman



> Dear All,
>
> One of my postgraduate students would like to do some research on the
> Irish in the UK, concentrating particularly on why some of them don't use
> Irish Services. At present the only material we can find relating to this
> concentrates on mental health services, would anyone have any pointers on
> research relating specifically to the engagement of Irish migrants with
> other Irish services (e.g. housing, social services etc)?
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
>
> All best wishes,
> Maria Power
>
> **************
> Dr. Maria Power
> Institute of Irish Studies,
> University of Liverpool
> +44 1517943602
>
>
>
>


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Dear Siobh=E1n, Noreen, Ultan, and Joe (Lee),

Thanks very much for your most informative posts. It was good of you to tak=
e the time to enlighten me.

Michael

Michael Patrick Gillespie
Louise Edna Goeden Professor of English

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(Sorry no abstract. Best, MEH)

'The only place worth thinking about': personal testimony and Irish and
Scottish migrants in Australasia, 1921-61
Author: Angela McCarthy a
Affiliation: a University of Otago,

DOI: 10.1080/03071020802268355
Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year
Published in: Social History, Volume 33, Issue 3 August 2008 , pages 317
- 335

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It looks like a new Diaspora may be in the making.=20
That said, I would take excitable talk like this with more than a pinch
of salt until better data is available.. This is not the 1980s and the
economic indicators are very different.

Piaras



Paddy's leaving again as GAA leads to foreign field

By David McWilliams

Wednesday August 20 2008

Young men from GAA clubs all around the country are moving to clubs in
London and New York

One of the most fascinating barometers of the Irish economy is published
not by the ESRI, the Central Bank or any of the many stockbrokers paid
to monitor the state of things. If you want to understand what is
happening on the ground, go to www.gaa.ie.

As well as fixtures, news, updates and analysis, the GAA's website is a
mine of sociological information. One monthly little gem tells us who is
transferring from which club and where they are going.

For the last few years the club transfer list was pretty standard,
reflecting young players moving around the country to where they are
working or studying.

So lads would transfer from clubs in Dublin to Cork or Waterford,
depending on jobs. Obviously, much of the movement was to Dublin clubs
as the capital sucked in resources to fuel the boom.

This month's figures, however, reveal something startling. We are seeing
a huge increase in young men moving from Irish clubs all around the
country to clubs in London and New York.

This barometer -- let's call it the GAA Club Transfer Index or GCTI for
short -- doesn't lie. More significantly, the huge surge in emigration
it reflects will not be picked up by official statistics for months, if
not years.

According to the GCTI, emigration is on the increase from all over
Ireland and it is recurring in precisely the age group that we need most
-- our young, fit people. What makes the change in the index all the
more startling, is the dramatic turnaround in fortunes between the
beginning of the year and now. In January, not one club player
transferred to a club outside Ireland. This month, over one third of all
transfers involved lads leaving the country and signing up for clubs in
New York and London.

So Paddy is moving again. Historically, it has always been so. When
things are going well here, we come home and when things turn down, we
go. Such migration patterns are not normal.

For example, in the 1980s Ireland and Spain suffered from the same
levels of unemployment -- 19pc in both countries. This lack of
opportunity prompted 400,000 young Irish people to leave the country. By
contrast, the Spaniards hardly budged. The GCTI is telling us that this
is happening again.

Over the years, the GAA has been a brilliant indicator of economic and
demographic trends. For example, in the 1980s, emigration in rural
Ireland was so severe that many villages couldn't find 15 young men to
field a team on a regular basis.

Equally, the boom years were a bonanza for the GAA. New clubs opened to
cater for the huge outward move to the new suburbs of Meath, Kildare and
the peripheries of all our main towns.

Wherever a series of new estates were built, GAA clubs followed. GAA
clubs, outside decking, Woodies DIY and Dominos Pizza went together.
Much to the chagrin of many commentators, these new suburbs in
"Deckland" thrived. Communities formed quickly and, at the centre of
these new neighbourhoods, was the ever present GAA club.

In older suburbs where the GAA had not been traditionally strong, the
boom led to a rekindling of interest in Gaelic Games. It also spawned a
new subspecies -- the GAA Mum. The GAA Mum emerged ferrying children
around like a demented taxi-driver every Saturday morning. My own neck
of the woods, Dun Laoghaire (never a GAA stronghold), has become flooded
with these new hyper-educated, assertive, clever, ambitious and
aspirational "GAA mums". Interestingly, the GAA won the battle for the
hearts and minds of the new middle class in suburban Ireland.

Mothers who never had any dealings with the GAA, either as children or
young women, are signing up their kids and getting involved in the GAA
over and above other sports. Today's GAA mums are a very different breed
to those who made the sandwiches years ago.

They are part of the resurgence in a well-managed, well-marketed
sporting institution which runs itself professionally and towers over
other sporting organisations. Because it is ubiquitous, across all
classes and regions, the GAA is a fantastic leading indicator of social
change.

Unfortunately, the social change it is capturing now is emigration. The
return of emigration has profound ramifications for all of us. If Irish
young men are going now, when both the US and the UK are close to
recession, they must feel that their chances there are better than they
are here. This is damning.

The implications for tax revenue, the budget deficit and house prices
are straightforward. The less young people you have, the less tax
revenue you have and the more expensive public projects become. As for
house prices, if the GCTI is accurate, the implication for house prices
is simple -- they will fall further. This is bad news for not only the
housing market but for the banking sector too because without a vibrant,
young population, much of the dynamic of an expanding economy
disappears.

In addition, most studies reveal that the most able people emigrate
while the not so talented or ambitious might be more likely to stay at
home and be on the dole. Emigration is self-selecting and it reinforces
a downturn, not just in terms of the quantity of people in the country,
but the quality too.

The political implications of a return of Irish emigration, coupled with
net immigration into the country are again straightforward. People will
get angry if "our own" are forced to live in Queens or Camden while the
country plays host to all sorts of foreigners. This is not a racist
comment; it's a political reality.

The GAA Club Transfer Index is pointing to massive social change and a
return of emigration but don't expect to hear about this from our
authorities. If you want to see why there will be tearful reunions at
Dublin airport for the first time in decades this Christmas, don't wait
till the experts report back; head down to your local GAA club and see
what's happening to the teamsheets.

www.davidmcwilliams.ie dmcwilliams[at]independent.ie

David McWilliams

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James,

There is - or was - a substantial amount of research and comment on media
coverage of the Irish in Britain. So much so that at one time I complained
that it seemed easier to write about images of the Irish or stereotypes of
the Irish - rather than research the lives of real people who actually
really lived.

Much of this was, of course, affected by coverage of the conflicts in
Northern Ireland. There was - as I think you are hinting - at times to
over-explain, to pile all of the past into the present. And of course,
influenced by Sartre, I have no objections to that. But it did make for
some unwieldy presentations...

The key text, in terms of establishing the literature, was most probably...

Curtis, Liz. 1984. Nothing but the same old story: the roots of anti-Irish
racism. London: Information on Ireland.

There was a second edition in Belfast, 1996 - I think. That there was this
second edition makes an interesting point in itself.

Trying to think of ways you might follow up the discussion... Try putting
this term

Curtis Nothing but the same old story

Into Google Scholar or Google Book. And you will see how Liz Curtis is used
as a sort of base line in the discussion.

See for example The Irish Through British Eyes By Edward G. Lengel, which
quotes the criticisms of Sheridan Gilley.

If I understand you correctly you are looking for a study of media
representations of the Irish in Britain, uncontaminated by whatever current
crises in Ireland the British media has found interesting. I am having
trouble thinking of such a study.

Paddy


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Subject: [IR-D] Coverage of the Irish in British newspapers

James A. Lundon [at] Yahoo! [jameslundon[at]yahoo.co.uk]

Could anyone point me in the direction of any studies (academic papers,
books etc) on attitudes to the Irish in British newspapers over the last
50/60 years?

I don't want a study of the media coverage of Ireland in the 19th century
for example.

A discussion has occurred in another e-forum I'm part of
regarding the stunning success of the recently launched Irish
Daily Mail in these parts. A few people (me included) countered
that these newspapers, along with all the red tops, have been/are
virulently anti-Irish and that the owners of these organs must be
pinching themselves at how popular their products are amongst the
self-same people they were less than fair about in the very
recent past.

If you feel that this is a valid diaspora question, please edit
the above as appropriate and pass along to the main list.

With many & sincere thanks,

James

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Forwarded on behalf of Claire Connolly [connolly[at]CARDIFF.AC.UK]

We are writing to let you know that our next AHRC-funded Ireland-Wales
symposium will take place on=A0Friday 24th and Saturday 25th October, on =
the
topic of Ireland and Wales: Romantic Nations.=A0=A0

See the provisional version of the programme, below. Registration =
details to
follow. (The event will be free and open to all and will include =
lunches,
teas and coffees).

Among the highlights of the event is a public lecture by the =
award-winning
Welsh animator Mike Young -=A0http://www.mikeyoungproductions.com/ - the =
title
of whose talk is "'Taking on the Mouse': Wales, Ireland and the =
Animation
Trade'.=A0Ticket bookings for this talk have not yet opened, but we'll =
keep
you posted.=A0

Finally, the Cardiff University Wales-Ireland seminar continues into =
2008-9.
The autumn lectures will be given by Dr Kirsti Bohata (Swansea =
University);
Michael Houlihan (Director General, National Museum Wales); Dr Eamonn =
Hughes
(Queens University Belfast). Details as follows:
=09
Oct 14 =96 Kirsti Bohata (Swansea University) =91George Moore and =
Caradoc
Evans=92=A0 =09
Nov 25 =96 Michael Houlihan (National Museum of Wales) =91Cultural =
memory and
history in=A0national museum spaces=92 =09
Dec 9 =96 Eamonn Hughes (Queen's University, Belfast) =91Celtic Crime =
Fiction=92

Seminars take place in Room 2.47, Humanities Building (off Colum Drive),
Cardiff University on Thursdays at 5.15 p.m. Parking in the Colum Drive =
Car
Park is free from 4.30 pm. For Location Guides,
visit=A0http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/locations/maps/=A0or=A0click here for
directions=A0to the Humanities Building.

Please note change of day - from our usual Monday slot to Thursdays in =
the
coming year.

We'd be most grateful if you could forward this message to others who =
might
be interested.=A0

Best wishes,
Claire Connolly, Katie Gramich, Paul O'Leary


Ireland and Wales: Romantic Nations

Room ?, Humanities Building, Cardiff University [HYPERLINK TO
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/locations/maps/]
Friday 24 October

9 am Coffee and registration

10 am=20
Joep Leerssen (University of Amsterdam), =91Celticism, Celtology and =
Irish and
Welsh Romanticism'

Edward Larrissy (Queens University Belfast), =91The Celticism of Robert
Graves=92

11.30 pm=20
Mary Ann Constantine (Aberystwyth University), 'Land of Song? Romantic =
Wales
and the folksong paradigm'

Virginia Crossman (Oxford Brookes University), 'The romance of poverty =
in
Irish and Welsh nationalism'

12.30 am=20
Dead and Gone? The meaning of =91Romantic=92 in contemporary writing

Interviews / Readings with Bernard O=92Donoghue
Niall Griffiths
+ other writers to be confirmed

2.30-3.30=20
Rhodri Glyn (Aberystwyth University), Welsh language journalism, =
religion,
politics and the public sphere =96 title TBC

Breand=E1n MacSuibhne (University of Notre Dame), =91An Irishman's =
Observations
on Wales in the 1810s=92

4 =96 5 pm=20
Gerry Kearns (Virginia Tech), 'James Clarence Mangan and the irony of
Romantic Ireland'

John Barrell (University of York), =91Richard Wilson in the Age of =
Lead=92

6.00 pm
Mike Young, =91=93Taking on the Mouse": Wales, Ireland and the Animation =
Trade=92

Saturday 25 Oct

10 am=20
Hwyel Davies (Aberystwyth University), =91Wales, invasion and 1790s=92 =
=96 title
TBC

Catr=EDona Kennedy (University of York), '"Sketches of many pencils":
narrating the French invasion of Ireland in 1798'

11.30 am=20
John Ellis (University of Michigan, Flint), =91Celt versus Teuton: Race,
Character and British National Identity=92

Iain McCalman (Australian National University), =91Two scientific =
casualties
of Romantic Nationhood: Alfred Wallace of Wales and John Tyndall of
Ireland'

1.30 pm=20
James Chandler (University of Chicago), =91A Turn of Sentiment that =
Might be
Named a Revolution: Romantic National Triangles=92

Claire Connolly (Cardiff University), =91Theory and Practice: Ireland =
and
Wales in the writings of Maria Edgeworth=92


3.30 p.m.=20
Luke Gibbons (University of Notre Dame), =91Peripheral Modernities=92

Murray Pittock (Glasgow University), 'Wales and Ireland: National
Romanticisms?'

4.30 p.m. Symposium Close

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From: phart[at]mun.ca
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An interesting article - although the 'hyper-educated' (?) 'GAA mums' are
just
soccer moms transposed, not some original observation.

However, surely out-migration is as normal as in-migration in open advanced
economies? In Canada, the UK etc., thousands of educated people leave for
jobs, lives outside the country every year - just as others from outside
move
in.

Looking just at one part of this seems pointless - Irish people are always
going
to be attracted by opportunity in New York, London or wherever, and there's
nothing wrong with it.

Plus, why couldn't he produce hard numbers? His figures are practically
meaningless without them.

Peter Hart

Quoting "MacEinri, Piaras" :

> It looks like a new Diaspora may be in the making.
> That said, I would take excitable talk like this with more than a pinch
> of salt until better data is available.. This is not the 1980s and the
> economic indicators are very different.
>
> Piaras
>
>
>
> Paddy's leaving again as GAA leads to foreign field
>
> By David McWilliams
>
> Wednesday August 20 2008
>
> Young men from GAA clubs all around the country are moving to clubs in
> London and New York
>

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From: "Noreen Bowden"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Emigration Once Again

I thought this article was fascinating but his analysis is really flawed
this time - he's comparing this year's winter and summer transfers. If he
had instead
looked at the summer transfers over a number of years he'd have seen that
there's a surge in international transfers every summer. Players often go
over temporarily to play for the summer.

I don't have time to run the numbers but the montly stats are available i=
n
Excel files under "club transfers" at http://www.gaa.ie/page/archives.htm=
l
I just checked July 07 and July 02 and it looked like well over
three-quarters of the transfers were international for both of those mont=
hs.

Of course, the CSO stats are out today showing that emigration was up aga=
in
this year - to 45,300 people leaving, while immigration was down to 83,80=
0.
All the info on that is at
http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/population/current/popmi=
g.pdf

Noreen Bowden
Director
=C9an - The Emigrant Advice Network
a: 30 Carmichael House, North Brunswick Street, Dublin 7
t: +353 1 8779011
m: 087 211 1397
e: noreen[at]emigrantnetwork.ie
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It looks like a new Diaspora may be in the making.
That said, I would take excitable talk like this with more than a pinch
of salt until better data is available.. This is not the 1980s and the
economic indicators are very different.

Piaras



Paddy's leaving again as GAA leads to foreign field

By David McWilliams

Wednesday August 20 2008

Young men from GAA clubs all around the country are moving to clubs in
London and New York

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From: "Joe Bradley"
To: "The Irish Diaspora Studies List"

I would agree with Piaras. For a start, one of the reasons that the GAA lo=
ses (frequently temporarily) a number of usually good players (often county=
level) is because their clubs/counties are out the Championship around May=
/June and they see what's left of the Summer months as an opportunity to sp=
end time abroad 'playing some ball' as a guaranteed working holiday and/or =
to make some money in return for their skills on the football field. This =
isn't by any means all of the story - but it is an important comment in not=
looking too much into the seasonal transfers taking place via Croke Park. =
However, if those transfers recorded the employment status and skills (eg,=
how many are third level educated?) of those concerned this record might b=
e more worthwhile as a source of study.=20=20
=20
Joe

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It looks like a new Diaspora may be in the making.
That said, I would take excitable talk like this with more than a pinch
of salt until better data is available.. This is not the 1980s and the
economic indicators are very different.

Piaras



Paddy's leaving again as GAA leads to foreign field

By David McWilliams

Wednesday August 20 2008

Young men from GAA clubs all around the country are moving to clubs in
London and New York

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A Thomas Kinsella special issue...

IRISH STUDIES REVIEW -BATH-
VOL 16; NUMBER 3; 2008
ISSN 0967-0882

pp. 245-265
Scepticism, faith and the recognition of the 'Patriarch-Mother' in the
poetry of Thomas Kinsella.
Clutterbuck, C.

pp. 267-281
'Let the Fall begin': Thomas Kinsella's European dimension.
Fitzsimons, A.

pp. 283-293
'Never altogether the same. But the same': strategies of revision in Thomas
Kinsella's Notes from the Land of the Dead.
Collins, L.

pp. 295-303
Kinsella's Dublins and the Stone Mother.
Johnston, D.

pp. 305-327
'Hearing the American voice': Thomas Kinsella and William Carlos Williams.
Flanagan, I.

pp. 329-333
'All is emptiness / and I must spin': Thomas Kinsella and the romance of
decay.
Wheatley, D.

pp. 335-343
Thomas Kinsella: a selected bibliography, 2008.
Tubridy, D.

pp. 345-367
History, Politics And Art.
Griffin, B.

pp. 229-229
Title unknown.

pp. 231-234
'Keep us alert / for the while remaining': Kinsella at eighty.
Tubridy, D.

pp. 235-237
Close Reading.
Skloot, F.

pp. 239-243
Poems.
Wheatley, D.