I should learn...

Every time I say anything about a book or journal I get requests for
contact information. I should remember to include the information with
the original message.

Anyway...

History Ireland can be contacted by email
historyireland[at]connect.ie
and now has a Web page
http://www.ucc.ie/histire/

Irish Studies Review can be contacted by email
isr[at]bathspa.ac.uk
and has a Web page
http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/hum/isr1.html

Irish Studies Review is published and distributed by Carfax Publishing
Limited. Email
sales[at]carfax.co.uk
There is a Carfax Web site, and the ISR bit is at
http://www.carfax.co.uk/isr-ad.html

P.O'S.
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From Patrick O'Sullivan

Dear Patrick,

I am afraid that my original email on O'M Baines was one of the things
that got lost in my series of computer crashes last year.

These are the details from my notebooks...

Capt. Thomas F. O'Malley Baines
My Life in Two Hemispheres: What was suffered for love of country
San Francisco 1889
Henderson & Co. Printers

Microfilmed 1985
University of California-Berkeley
CU-B
SN 00521.3
Master Negative No. 85-1740

This is the third edition, as the author's Preface makes clear.

Then my notes continue with the observations, which you will recall and
which - I recall - repeated your own observations: the curious lack of
detail, eg on board 'Hugoment' (so spelt), or the reasons for the
journey to Sydney in 1880, the volume padded out as a poetry anthology,
and with advertisements for San Francisco commercial companies. I
assume that the adverts paid for the volume.

If you need more let me know.

Paddy O'Sullivan



>
>
>
>From: Patrick Maume
>Subject: Re:Thomas O'Malley Baines
>
>From: Patrick Maume
>Dear Paddy,
> I'm afraid that I have lost the e-mail
>which you sent me some months ago giving
>details of the microfiche of Thomas
>O'Malley Baines's autobiography which is
>in the British Library. (Don't know
>how it happened - I have every other
>e-mail sent me about O'M B in a folder
>except that one _ I suspect I somehow
>deleted it by mistake.) Do you have a
>copy of the e-mail yourself and if so
>could you forward it to me again?
> Will you be at the Nineteenth-Century
>Ireland conference at Bath Spa?
> Sorry to bother you over this
>again,
> Yours sincerely,
> Patrick.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From Patrick O'Sullivan


Dear Eileen,

Thank you for this helpful comment.

Source? Reference? Citation?

For my paper is indeed, in part at least, about the baggage that the
word 'peasant' brings with it - my starting point is the (often
disguised) influence of Chicago school sociology on the discussion.

Paddy


In message , irish-
diaspora[at]Bradford.ac.uk writes
>
>
>From: Eileen A Sullivan
>
>Dear Paddy
>
>That' s a great conference you are attending on the Polish/Irish. Now,
>when you do your part, please don't use the word "peasant" loosely when
>describing the Irish. That term was circulated by Rev Caesar Otway
>(Church of Ireland) when he got Carleton to write a very anti-Catholic
>story in 1828 for his Christian Examiner.
>
>You know, of course, that during 18th and 19th centuries, many Irish
>still considered themselves the rightful land owners of the country.
>Don't know how my grandfather ever held on to the 50 acre tract in
>Cappagh, near Kenmare.
>
>Eileen A. Sullivan Tel # (352) 332 3690
>6412 NW 128th Street E-Mail : eolas1[at]juno.com
>Gainesville, FL 32653
>

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From today's Irish Emigrant email newsletter...

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on Tuesday she addressed the country's Senate. Mrs McAleese
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From Patrick O'Sullivan




David Ingle's note about his song research - below - reminds me of a
remark by John Montague in a similar context. Montague refers to the
stereotype of 'rapscallion masculinity' in Irish poetry (Faber Book of
Irish Poetry, 1974, p. 34).

Since so much interesting work on Irish women is now appearing in Irish
Diaspora Studies I wondered if something as interesting is ever going to
appear about Irish men. I've made a few comments myself - eg picking up
on Cairns & Richards comments, Writing Ireland, p. 49 onwards (where
they quote Ashis Nandy and D.P. Moran), and some remarks in Irish Women
and Irish Migration, where I propose the critical study of men and
masculinities. The 'Irish-American' has been defined as 'a man in
uniform'. But is there an obvious route through all the stereotypes? I
guess Cairns & Richards still offer a good guide...

P.O'S.

>
>
>Subject: 19th century pub culture
>FROM: David Ingle, Framingham, Massachusetts
>Email Address: Mary Franck
>
> I have just now joined this list of scholars and wish to address
>some open-ended questions to interested members. I am a retired brain
>scientist who is making a second career from his avocation of analyzing
>folk songs in contexts of social history. Using the comparative method,
>I have analyzed hundreds of drink-related songs from Ireland, Scotland
>& England (from the 18th & 19th centuries) and found themes from the 3
>cutures to be strikingly different. While both the Scots & Irish
>feature a large number of tales of heavy-drinking by young men, these
>rakes mostly come to bad ends in Scots songs, while Irish rakes are
>mostly satisfied with their lifestyles or at least accept them
>fatalistically. Moreover, only in Ireland is fighting viewed as a
>natural - and sometimes enjoyable - result of social drinking.
>
> I am trying to explain these self-images in terms of the social
>history of rural pub-culture in l9th century Ireland. Writers such as
>Stiver (THE HAIR OF THE DOG, 1976) see such values originating with (or
>amplified by) those younger sons who could not inherit land or wealth
>and so formed their own alternative society centered in the pub. As
>they could be treated as boys up to the age of 50 years, drinking was
>an answer to sexual frustration as well as general lack of opportunity.
>The acceptance of fighting as a sport is doubtless related to the
>motivation behind the widespread faction fighting from 1760 to 1840 -
>which is mentioned in several of the songs. My data and some discussion
>appear in the spring issue of SOC. HIST. of ALCOHOL REVIEW.
>
> I am in need of historical and cultural references concerning this
>pub-culture. Did it include the middle-class as well as working men ?
>Presumably these men were well enough off to continue their pub-life
>through the bleak period of the great famine. Did this hard-drinking
>self-image come from only a minority of rural folk? Were married men as
>likely to espouse these values as bachelors? I find that drinking women
>in Irish songs are nearly all single while those in Scots songs are
>mostly married. Is it possible that the self-stereotype of the Irish as
>heavy drinkers came from a minority of rural males but was later
>accepted by a much larger proportion of Irish-Americans ? Perhaps the
>very songs that I have collected were effective propaganda pieces !
>
> Any suggested readings or critical comments will be welcomed, as I
>expand my search to Irish-American stage songs & folk songs.
>
>David Ingle
>Framingham
>Massachusetts

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From Patrick O'Sullivan


Brian McGinn's Bibliography of the Irish in South America is now being
circulated. As relevant comments come in I will post them to the Irish-
Diaspora list. This I have posted, as a separate email, some comments
by the Irish Ambassador in Argentina.

I have one tiny item to add to Brian's list...

Marion MacMurrough Mulhall, 'Erin in South America', The Irish Rosary,
Vol. XII, No. 11, November 1908, pp 810-819. This is mostly about
Argentina, and includes a portrait of Anthony Fahy. Assuming that
Marion is here a female name, I wonder if she was related to the Michael
G. Mulhall, mentione by Brian McGinn. The Irish Rosary was Catholic
Nationalist monthly - the Catholicism and the Nationalism are seamlessly
interwoven. And the Mulhall article is an example of the ways in which
the Irish Diaspora was reported back to Ireland.

I remember seeing a list of works on Eliza Lynch published in Spanish -
it was a very long list. That being said, I have never seen anything
sensible, and researched, on Eliza Lynch's Irish origins, and on the
processes that took her to Paris.

Brian lists the chapter Patrick McKenna wrote for me. I think we should
also add Patrick McKenna's thesis...

Patrick McKenna, Ninettenth Century Irish Emigration to, and Settlement
in, Argentina, MA Geography Thesis, St. Patrick's College, Maynooth,
1994. It is a very thorough piece of work - very much a work of
geography, stressing the importance of the temperate grasslands in the
patterns of Irish migration. (Patrick's supervisor was W. J. Smyth.)

Last year, at Patrick's request, I spent some miserable months trying to
persuade Irish publishers to READ Patrick's thesis. It needs a bit of
re-writing and tidying, but it is definitely publishable. Patrick
McKenna feels that publishers are not interested because it is simply an
MA thesis. As far as I know the thesis has not been published - but I
will make enquiries and report back.

P.O'S.

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The following message - from the Irish Ambassador in Argentina - has been forwarded
to the Irish-Diaspora list. Our thanks to Ambassador Agnew for his interest...


From: Agnew Art - Ambassador
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:54PM


Thank you for your copy of Brian McGinn's 'bibliography'. I will pass it to
some knowledgeable people here to get their views. (I was somewhat puzzled
to get this from London).

It may be worth contacting Patrick McKenna (named in the list) directly. I
think his doctorate thesis has now been published or at least he has done a
lot of research in recent years. (I have saw a manuscript of his work two
years ago prior to publication, but would not of course show it to anyone
until it is published.)

I am not sure how much we should add to the bibliography. There are very
many books on Admiral Brown. I have seven or eight here in the Embassy and
there are probably dozens more. Some would be more basic as source material
than the book by John de Courcy Ireland, although the latter is the best
and most readable in English, if not the only one in English.

There is also probably an equal number on O'Higgins. I have one or two.
The problem is that I have no way of discriminating the wheat from the
chaff among the torrent of books on the major heroes. Should we send all
the info we get., or just a few that appear most basic on e.g. O'Higgins and
Brown.

( I picked up a book about Juan O'Brien yesterday - it is at the residence
so I do not have the details. We also have a short work on King, who fought
with Brown.)

NOTE ON MONS. USSHER: His name is given in the list (for his work on Fahy)
as 'Santiago M. Ussher. In fact on my print of the English version of the
Fahy book the name is given as 'James M.Ussher'. The book also appears in
Spanish (and I have a copy), as:
Santiago M. Ussher Padre Fahy Biografia de Antonio Domingo Fahy O.P.
Misionero Irlandes en la Argentina (1805 - 1871), Buenos Aires 1952

Some works which I think we could add to the list already are:

Santiago M.Ussher Los Capellanes Irlandeses en La Colectividad
Hiberno-Argentina Durante el Siglo XIX, Buenos Aires 1954. (I believe that
an English version of this exists, but cannot put my hand on it, probably
published in 1953.)

Roberto E.Landaburu Irlandeses, Eduardo Casey, Vida y Obra (a history of
Casey who founded the town of Venado Tuerto; there are many misprints of
Irish names but it is interesting, with photos etc.) published in Venato
Tuerto, Province of Santa Fe by Fondo Editor Mutual Venado Tuerto

I also think that we should add the Southern Cross (newspaper) itself:
- Centenary compilation
- Archives on microfilm

But I will have to get the details. The address of the office might be the
most useful piece of information in that case, since finding the material in
a library would be difficult.

Again, thanks. We will let you have more works in due course.

Art Agnew - Ambassador

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From: "Brian McGinn"


Thanks to Ambassador Art Agnew in Buenos Aires, and to Patrick O'Sullivan
in Bradford, for their helpful suggestions. Some, I am happy to report,
have already been added, as the Bibliography has doubled in size over the
Easter break. All others are gratefully accepted.

The Irish experience in Argentina, as the Ambassador's message implies,
merits a separate bibliography. This would best be tackled by a local
scholar. My aim with the present work is to be comprehensive rather than
exhaustive. Thus, rather than list the hundreds of articles and books on
Admiral Brown, many of them works of hagiography, I would hope to include
one locally-written sample of the 'most important Irishman in Argentina'
genre, balanced by a representative critical work. And the Instituto
Browniano's important publication, Iconografia, which allows us to study
evolving artistic representations of the Admiral from Mayo, and leads art
directors to important daguerreotypes of Admiral and Mrs. Brown.

Suggestions on lesser-known but perhaps equally-important figures, such as
John Thomond O'Brien (strangely enough, a Wicklowman from Baltinglass) are
especially welcome. I have heard about a biography, published in 1904 by a
Chilean historian, name unknown. As I've have never been able to locate it,
I look forward to Ambassador Agnew's information.

Because of the wealth of material on Argentina, the list has a deliberate,
built-in bias towards the other twelve South American nations. Brazil is
especially important, and study of the Irish failures to settle there may
lend another dimension to Patrick McKenna's thesis on the importance of
temperate grasslands. With the exception of the nations at either end,
Venezuela and Chile, the Irish presence in the Andean countries is still
largely unknown. Additional sources on Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru
are particularly needed. The situation with Eliza Lynch in Paraguay in some
ways parallels that of William Brown in Argentina; rather than list the
numerous Spanish-language works of adulation, I have included one favorable
and one critical study. (Alyn Brodsky, by the way, went to considerable
trouble in tracing her Irish roots and early life. But was able to add
little to the picture, even with the help of the Genealogical Office in
Dublin).

As exemplified by the books on Eliza Lynch, the Bibliography also has a
slight bias towards English-language works. Apart from the language
barriers, many of the Portuguese and Spanish titles are still difficult, if
not impossible, to locate outside of South America. Perhaps some
suggestions to improve access will evolve from this project. The
availability of the first 120 years of The Southern Cross on microfilm--a
project recently completed by the Harvard College Library's Latin American
Microfilm Project (LAMP) is a step in that direction. It would be helpful
to know which Libraries outside Argentina have purchased the complete set.

Finally, this seems an appropriate time to acknowledge the help of
fellow-enthusiasts who have shared the articles, books, monographs and
knowledge that make this Bibliography possible.

First and foremost, Guillermo MacLoughlin of Buenos Aires, whose generosity and
patience with endless and ongoing queries is deeply appreciated.

Also, alphabetically:
David Barnwell at the University of South Carolina, Coastal, in South
Carolina;
Dr. Mario Dolan, President of the Irish-Argentine Society of New York;
Willie Ford at The Southern Cross in Buenos Aires;
Maria Teresa Julianello and her fellow educator Maria Silvana Vazquez of Buenos
Aires;
Peadar Kirby, formerly of Latin America Press in Lima, Peru and presently of
Dublin;
Oliver Marshall at the Institute of Latin American Studies in
London;
Patrick McKenna of Summerhill, Co. Meath;
Dr. Munira Mutran of ABEI--the Brazilian Association for Irish Studies--at the
University of Sao Paulo, Brazil;
Dr. Eileen Sullivan of the Irish Educational Association in Gainesville, Florida;
Peter O'Neill in Rio de Janeiro;
and Susan Wilkinson in Toronto, Canada.
And our moderator Patrick O'Sullivan, for the original suggestion, and for lending
both sources and ears.

Brian McGinn
Alexandria, Virginia
bmcginn[at]clark.net

From: DanCas1[at]aol.com


Dear Paddy:

Peter Quinn's excellent article in the spring 1999 "Hibernia," "Looking for
Jimmy," while a poetic meditation rather than a scholarly treatise, and in a
magazine not usually noted for its balanced view of the Irish Diaspora,
examines the evolution of the urban Irish-American male from the vilified
"Paddy" to the dapper smooth-talking "Jimmy" (of Cagney and Walker fame). It
also contains some interesting thoughts about Irish-American New York City
"street" culture and the Irish-and African-American relationship.

I will post you a copy this week.

Danny Cassidy


Daniel Cassidy
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The Irish Studies Program
An Leann Eireannach
New College of California
San Francisco

415-241-1302 ext. 427
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From: Jim Doan


Does anyone out there have good sources on the Irish brigade in the Spanish
Civil War. A friend in Ft. Lauderdale asked me about this over the weekend,
and I seem to recall some discussion on this topic in the past (I'm not
sure whether it was on this list or elsewhere). You may respond to
privately if you wish.

Jim Doan

From: Jim Doan

By the way, Brian will be a featured speaker on board the Southern ACIS
conference cruise from Miami to Nassau next Feb. 4-7 ("The Irish in the
Atlantic World"). His talk will be specifically on the Irish in South
America. There are still berths available for the cruise. For further
information contact me directly (doan[at]polaris.nova.edu).

Jim Doan

From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"

Dear Patrick:

I have perhaps missed Brian McGinn's bibliography. Was it sent to this
list? When? I don't seem to have it in my file of list articles. If not,
how can I get hold of it?

Thank you.

Tom
Thomas J. Archdeacon, Prof. & Chair Office: 608-263-1807
Department of History Fax:
608-263-5302
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E-Mail: tjarchde[at]facstaff.wisc.edu
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http://www.wisc.edu/history/404tja

Tom,

Re Brian McGinn's Irish in South America Bibliography...

I have not seen anything this end to indicate that a message went astray - but, of
course, we don't and can't track everything.

I have sent you as a separate email the original First Draft of the Bibliography.


P.O'S.


>From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"

>Dear Patrick:

>I have perhaps missed Brian McGinn's bibliography. Was it sent to this
>list? When? I don't seem to have it in my file of list articles. If not,
>how can I get hold of it?

>Thank you.

>Tom


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From Patrick O'Sullivan

Good news...

Congratulations to Don MacRaild, Ir-D list member at the University of
Sunderland, England.

Don has secured a substantial research grant from the Leverhulme Trust,
one of the foremost sources of research funding in the UK.

Don will use the time and resources so funded to develop further his
research on the history of the Orange Order in the North East of
England, 1855-1920, leading eventually to a major study of Orangeism.
Don is especially interested in the social profile of the Orange Order,
looking beyond sectarianism to the Orange Order as a mutual society. He
has already secured access to the archives of the Orange Order in North
East England - which is something of a coup. Perhaps we have here a
model for access by historians to the archives of other secret or
secretive organisations...

Patrick O'Sullivan

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From: "John Goodwin"


From John Goodwin:

Just for info, I have been undertaking research on Irish men's attitudes to
and experiences of work. If anyone is interested I will post more details.

John



*******************************
Dr. John Goodwin
Centre For Labour Market Studies
University of Leicester
7-9 Salisbury Road,
Leicester LE1 7QR
UK. Tel: (00 44) 0116 2525944
WWW: http://www.clms.le.ac.uk
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From Patrick O'Sullivan

John,

Yes, please...

P.O'S.


Subject: Re: Ir-D Men
From: "John Goodwin"


Just for info, I have been undertaking research on Irish men's attitudes to
and experiences of work. If anyone is interested I will post more details.

John






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From: ultan cowley


Dear John,
I am researching the history of the Irish in the british
construction industry (traditionally the largest single employer of
eligible Irish male immigrants). Any information you think might be
relevant would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Ultan Cowley


>
>
>From: "John Goodwin"
>
>
>From John Goodwin:
>
>Just for info, I have been undertaking research on Irish men's attitudes to
>and experiences of work. If anyone is interested I will post more details.
>
>John
>
>
>

From Patrick O'Sullivan


For Irish involvement on the Republican Government side...

A good starting point is Sean Cronin, Frank Ryan: The Search for the
Republic, foreword by Peadar O'Donnell, 1980, which has full notes and a
useful bibliography, listing most items of importance up to that date.

O'Donnell's own book is...
Peadar O'Donnell, Salud: An Irishman in Spain, 1937

Charles Donnelly (1910-37), a fine poet and a republican, was killed
fighting with the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War. See
Joseph Donnelly, ed., Charlie Donnelly: The Life and Poems, 1987, and
Joseph O'Connor, Even the Olives are Bleeding, 1992.

Michael O'Riordain, Connolly Column, 1979

Shevawn Lynam, The spirit and the clay, 1954, is a novel of the Basques
after their defeat in the Civil War, told by an Irish journalist with
considerable contacts with the popular resistance to Franco.

There are quite a few histories of the Lincoln Battalion/International
Brigade - and these look at Irish and Irish-American involvement. I
have a memory of a recent book specifically about Irish involvement -
but can find nothing in my notes. Can anyone help?

The Irish Anarchists have put their tribute to Jack White at
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/spain/pam_intro.html

A Web search would turn up more stuff, including - with the restoration
of democracy in Spain - recent commemoration and honours for the
International Brigade.


For Irish support to Franco...

Robert Stradling, Franco's Irish Volunteers, History Today 45:40-47 Mar
'95.

Eoin O'Duffy, Crusade in Spain, 1938.

This is perhaps to overstate things - but there is a sense in which the
Spanish Civil War acted as a proxy continuation of the Irish Civil War
for those, on the right and on the left, who were dissatisfied with the
bourgeois nationalist compromise that was the Irish Free State. The
ultimate irony then is that Frank Ryan ends his life as a refugee in
Hitler's Germany.

P.O'S



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From: "John Goodwin"



My research is based on interviews and questionnaire research carried out in
North Dublin during 1997-1998, focusing in particular on the area covered by
the Northside Partnership (the north city suburbs of Priorswood, Darndale,
Bonnybrook, Kilmore, Beaumont, Whitehall, Artane, Donnycarney, Harmonstown,
Coolock, Edenmore, Donaghmede, Balgriffin, Raheny, Ayrfield, Baldoyle,
Kilbarrack, Grange and Killester). The first stage of the research involved
the dissemination of a short attitudinal type questionnaire - I got 156 men
to respond (employed and unemployed). The second stage of the research was a
short series of in-depth interviews with men. In total I completed 12
in-depth qualitative interviews (with employed and unemployed men), and will
be returning in September to carry out more.

The first paper based on this research is called 'Considering Men, Gender
and Work in The Republic of Ireland' and was presented at the British
Sociological Association Conference last week in Glasgow. In this paper I
presented some initial thoughts. Here is a very brief summary.

Initial analysis of the data suggests that work is important for Irish men
and that for some it is closely tied to the breadwinner model. For the
unemployed men in the sample, work took on a greater significance if there
was a family to support. It was also suggested that women also hold these
views and are central to this breadwinner ideology. However work in itself
was not important for either the employed men or the unemployed men. For the
employed males work was seen more as a set of social experiences and that
mental and social well being was gained from work. For the unemployed men,
money played more of a central role in defining the features of a good job
and the nature of work generally.

Irish men's experiences of, and attitudes of social class are also
illuminating, with more men suggesting that class is determined by
upbringing rather than work or employment. Following on from this,
variations as to whether class existed Ireland was found, with employed men
underplaying the importance of class in Irish society and linking it back to
Anglo Irish History. One even suggested that 'class' ended in 1922 ! For
unemployed men class was very important and tended to discussed in terms of
those who have and have not, and how badly they had been treated by people
with money.

Of course this initial analysis only really touches upon the themes and
debates raised in the interviews and obviously a great deal more has to be
done in terms of reflecting on Irish mens experiences of work and works
centrality to their lives. The data also contains a wealth of information on
men's experiences of home and family, education and training, the influence
of parents, and the role of the 'pull' or 'stroking' in getting a good job
or 'screwing the state'.

Although the initial analysis of the data is not earth shattering, I think
its important to document this stuff in terms of men's experiences.

John

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Dr. John Goodwin
Centre For Labour Market Studies
University of Leicester
7-9 Salisbury Road,
Leicester LE1 7QR
UK. Tel: (00 44) 0116 2525944
WWW: http://www.clms.le.ac.uk
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From: Enda Delaney

Dear Jim,

I would imgaine that a recent book by Robert Stradling, The Irish and the
Spanish Civil War, 1936-39 (Manchester UP, 1999) covers the Irish brigade in
some detail. Another book on the same subject by Fearghal McGarry (History
Department, Trinity College Dublin) is due to be published by Cork UP in the
summer. Stradling's book is available and looks quite impressive.

Enda Delaney,
Institute of Irish Studies,
Queen's University Belfast.