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On 8/8/2012 9:23 AM, Matthew Barlow wrote:
> Colleagues,
> I find myself teaching Modern Irish History for the first time this fall and, though I probably already know the answer to this question already, can anyone recommend a textbook that covers Irish history from c. 1600-1998, other than Foster's _Modern Ireland_?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow.
Matthew,
I am using Thomas Bartlett's "Ireland: A History" here at the University
of Toronto. This will be the first time I have used it, so I will let
you know the outcome. It's a very good read and I think it will cover
the basics for our students (who are novices at Irish history, but eager).

Best wishes
Mark
Dr. Mark G McGowan
Professor of History
St. Michael's College, University of Toronto

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I just used Bartlett's text this past spring semester. The students all
seemed to think it was a good choice. I've used Moody and Martin in the
past and that also does work well but if I were to chose again I think I'd
stick with Bartlett.

Kelly Donahue
Adjunct Professor
University of St. Thomas


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Matthew Barlow wrote:

> Colleagues,
> I find myself teaching Modern Irish History for the first time this fall
> and, though I probably already know the answer to this question already,
> can anyone recommend a textbook that covers Irish history from c.
> 1600-1998, other than Foster's _Modern Ireland_?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow.
>

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Hello Matthew,=20

You might also look at The Course of Irish History, edited by T. W.
Moody and F. X. Martin, published by Mercier Press, Cork. It is a
general history of Ireland but is quite comprehensive. =20

Best wishes,

Catherine
=20

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On 8/8/2012 9:23 AM, Matthew Barlow wrote:
> Colleagues,
> I find myself teaching Modern Irish History for the first time this
fall and, though I probably already know the answer to this question
already, can anyone recommend a textbook that covers Irish history from
c. 1600-1998, other than Foster's _Modern Ireland_?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow.
Matthew,
I am using Thomas Bartlett's "Ireland: A History" here at the University
of Toronto. This will be the first time I have used it, so I will let
you know the outcome. It's a very good read and I think it will cover
the basics for our students (who are novices at Irish history, but
eager).

Best wishes
Mark
Dr. Mark G McGowan
Professor of History
St. Michael's College, University of Toronto

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A Short History of Ireland by John O'Beirne Ranelagh, elegantly and
dispassionately written. New edition coming out in September from Cambridge
University Press.

David


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Matthew Barlow wrote:

> Colleagues,
> I find myself teaching Modern Irish History for the first time this fall
> and, though I probably already know the answer to this question already,
> can anyone recommend a textbook that covers Irish history from c.
> 1600-1998, other than Foster's _Modern Ireland_?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow.
>

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So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?

And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that the =
Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that the Guin=
ess in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly available he=
re.

Ed Hagan

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In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the =
Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author stat=
es that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.

Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It j=
ust doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....

Jim Rogers

James S. Rogers
UST Center for Irish Studies
Editor, New Hibernia Review
2115 Summit Ave, #5008
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(651) 962-5662=

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Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste much =
better in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North America on =
draught. =20

Cheers,
Matthew Barlow.

On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:

> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>=20
> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that =
the Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that =
the Guiness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly =
available here.
>=20
> Ed Hagan
>=20
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> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>=20
> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting =
the Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the =
author states that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>=20
> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? =
It just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>=20
> Jim Rogers
>=20
> James S. Rogers
> UST Center for Irish Studies
> Editor, New Hibernia Review
> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
> St Paul MN 55105-1096
> (651) 962-5662

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Hi Jim,

See "The Story" on the official Guinness website
(http://www.guinness.com/en-us/thestory.html).

Draught Guinness trials begin in 1958 and it is introduced to Great
Britain in 1959.

fyi, 50% of all Guinness sold in the USA in 1914 was bottled locally.

Happy Summer,
Marion

Marion R. Casey
Glucksman Ireland House
New York University

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I haven't read the article and am not a beer drinker at all so can't
speak directly to that but I have a personal memory of seeing the
Guinness barges bringing the Guinness down the Liffey throughout the
1950s - and it certainly wasn't in bottles, it was in barrels or casks.
The horse drawn lorries - still in use in the 1950s - that also
delivered to the Dublin pubs also carried casks which were rolled into
the pub cellars that opened directly to the street.

I think the confusion might be over what is now called "draught' beer
and traditional beer from casks. Wasn't this issue what the Campaign
for real Beer was all about?

Carmel

On 8/9/2012 12:06 PM, Rogers, James S. wrote:
> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author states that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>
> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>
> Jim Rogers
>
> James S. Rogers
> UST Center for Irish Studies
> Editor, New Hibernia Review
> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
> St Paul MN 55105-1096
> (651) 962-5662
>
> .
>

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In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the =
Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author stat=
es that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.

Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It j=
ust doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....

Jim Rogers

James S. Rogers
UST Center for Irish Studies
Editor, New Hibernia Review
2115 Summit Ave, #5008
St Paul MN 55105-1096
(651) 962-5662

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Guinness gives 1959 as the date:

> http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/docs/Guinness_History_Timeline.pdf

Sarah.=20

On 9 Aug 2012, at 18:54, "Matthew Barlow" wrote:

> Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste much b=
etter in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North America on drau=
ght. =20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Matthew Barlow.
>=20
> On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:
>=20
>> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>>=20
>> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that th=
e Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that the Gui=
ness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly available he=
re.
>>=20
>> Ed Hagan
>>=20
>> ________________________________________
>> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of R=
ogers, James S. [JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:06 PM
>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>>=20
>> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting th=
e Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author sta=
tes that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>>=20
>> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It=
just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>>=20
>> Jim Rogers
>>=20
>> James S. Rogers
>> UST Center for Irish Studies
>> Editor, New Hibernia Review
>> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
>> St Paul MN 55105-1096
>> (651) 962-5662

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Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draught_beer

If Wikipedia is right, the definition of draught beer evolved when it becam=
e possible to serve beer on draught under pressure. But the practive of ta=
pping barrells had long been in existence, so maybe what we have is a word =
changing in meaning.

Ed Hagan

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Guinness gives 1959 as the date:

> http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/docs/Guinness_History_Timeline.pdf

Sarah.

On 9 Aug 2012, at 18:54, "Matthew Barlow" wrote:

> Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste much =
better in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North America on dr=
aught.
>
> Cheers,
> Matthew Barlow.
>
> On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:
>
>> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>>
>> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that t=
he Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that the G=
uiness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly available=
here.
>>
>> Ed Hagan
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of=
Rogers, James S. [JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:06 PM
>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>>
>> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting t=
he Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author s=
tates that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>>
>> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? I=
t just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>>
>> Jim Rogers
>>
>> James S. Rogers
>> UST Center for Irish Studies
>> Editor, New Hibernia Review
>> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
>> St Paul MN 55105-1096
>> (651) 962-5662=

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I=A0have a book that might give some guidance on the question but it is in =
storage at this time.=A0=20
=A0
1959 was the year when I=A0tasted=A0my first Guinness and it flowed from a =
bottle imported into England from St. James's Gate, Dublin.=A0 I was living=
in=A0New York when I had my first Guinness=A0from a bar tap and that was n=
ot poured through the system we're used to today.=A0 It was a standard "plo=
p" arrangement that produced a fairly flat, big-bubbled, strong tasting dri=
nk once poured.=A0 The first=A0"modern" draught Guinness=A0I=A0had was in t=
he mid-1970s=A0at the Liffey Tavern in Jackson Heights, New York, and it wa=
s a revelation.=A0=A0The barman, whom I came to know quite well,=A0told me =
the tap delivery mechanism was brought into the country by an Aer Lingus pi=
lot=A0was occasionally drank there on his layovers.=A0 Whether this system =
used nitrogen rather than=A0carbon dioxide=A0to move the stout from barrel =
to glass was not discussed.
=A0
Guinness Stout has meant different substances=A0in different locations at d=
ifferent times.=A0 Even in my lifetime, much of it sold in Ireland was sent=
out from Dublin by cask and bottled locally around the country.=A0 Stouts =
of stronger alcoholic content were made in Dublin and exported to British c=
olonies for years, and that might still be the case (except that those=A0co=
lonies=A0may now be former colonies).=A0 I recall (perhaps correctly) that =
Guinness has been brewed in Nigeria and Singapore.=A0 It=A0has been (and I=
=A0believe still is) brewed by Molson in Canada.=A0=20
=A0
There is also canned and bottled "Draught Guinness"=A0with a nitrogen-fille=
d "widget" that explodes once the can top is popped. =A0Many of the bottles=
sold in the USA were=A0filled with Canadian Guinness but the cans (as many=
or few as I saw) were always Dublin-brewed.=A0=20
=A0
Trial balloons are always being floated by the company.=A0 The proliferatio=
n of lager and light-lager beers has changed drinking habits in Ireland and=
Britain so=A0the brewer introduced Guinness 200 (as I=A0recall) for a limi=
ted time a few years back.=A0 It was effectively "Guinness Light."=A0 I bel=
ieve they may have committed to that=A0drink and produce it now, possibly u=
nder a different name.=A0=20
=A0
I will ask a few friends in Ireland when they first saw Guinness gushing fr=
om a bar tap.=A0 It would be interesting to know historically whether barre=
ls were directly tapped at the bar.=A0 Key to that would be having sufficie=
nt clientle to avoid spoilage.
=A0
All the best,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=20
Dan Milner

www.stjohns.digication.com/danmilner


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From: Rogers, James S.
Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 12:06 PM


In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the =
Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author stat=
es that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.

Was it only available in bottles before then?=A0 Is that date accurate?=A0 =
It just doesn't seem so,=A0 to me, but what do I know....

Jim Rogers

James S. Rogers
UST Center for Irish Studies
Editor, New Hibernia Review
2115 Summit Ave, #5008
St Paul MN 55105-1096
(651) 962-5662

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It has been a long time since I took a course centred around the history =
of alcohol in undergrad, but if memory serves me, draught is indeed beer =
under pressure, but the tapping of kegs goes back forever and a few days =
beyond that. But a tapped keg was one that was turned on its side =
(usually) and held in place somehow, so it was simply gravity that led =
to its pouring. But the term draught, if I remember correctly, evolved =
out of the verb "to draw", as in one drew you a pint, but I can no =
longer remember the details.

Matthew Barlow.

On 2012-08-10, at 8:59 AM, Edward Hagan wrote:

> Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draught_beer
>=20
> If Wikipedia is right, the definition of draught beer evolved when it =
became possible to serve beer on draught under pressure. But the =
practive of tapping barrells had long been in existence, so maybe what =
we have is a word changing in meaning.
>=20
> Ed Hagan
>=20
> ________________________________________
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf =
Of Sarah Morgan [dympna101[at]HOTMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:14 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>=20
> Guinness gives 1959 as the date:
>=20
>> =
http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/docs/Guinness_History_Timeline.pdf
>=20
> Sarah.
>=20
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 18:54, "Matthew Barlow" =
wrote:
>=20
>> Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste =
much better in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North =
America on draught.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Matthew Barlow.
>>=20
>> On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:
>>=20
>>> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>>>=20
>>> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility =
that the Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., =
that the Guiness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff =
mostly available here.
>>>=20
>>> Ed Hagan
>>>=20
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On =
Behalf Of Rogers, James S. [JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:06 PM
>>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>>>=20
>>> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and =
exporting the Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April =
2009), the author states that draught Guinness was not created until =
1959.
>>>=20
>>> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date =
accurate? It just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>>>=20
>>> Jim Rogers
>>>=20
>>> James S. Rogers
>>> UST Center for Irish Studies
>>> Editor, New Hibernia Review
>>> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
>>> St Paul MN 55105-1096
>>> (651) 962-5662

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And the Guinness site actually shows a photo of the old wooden barrels -
which I can remember being shipped down the Liffey on the open barges -
as phased out in 1963.

So I think the issue is a more modern under pressure serving - being
called "draught" - and not service from the old style barrels.

Carmel


On 8/10/2012 8:59 AM, Edward Hagan wrote:
> Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draught_beer
>
> If Wikipedia is right, the definition of draught beer evolved when it became possible to serve beer on draught under pressure. But the practive of tapping barrells had long been in existence, so maybe what we have is a word changing in meaning.
>
> Ed Hagan
>
> ________________________________________
> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Sarah Morgan [dympna101[at]HOTMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:14 PM
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>
> Guinness gives 1959 as the date:
>
>> http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/docs/Guinness_History_Timeline.pdf
> Sarah.
>
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 18:54, "Matthew Barlow" wrote:
>
>> Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste much better in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North America on draught.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matthew Barlow.
>>
>> On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:
>>
>>> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>>>
>>> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that the Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that the Guiness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly available here.
>>>
>>> Ed Hagan
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Rogers, James S. [JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:06 PM
>>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>>>
>>> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author states that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>>>
>>> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>>>
>>> Jim Rogers
>>>
>>> James S. Rogers
>>> UST Center for Irish Studies
>>> Editor, New Hibernia Review
>>> 2115 Summit Ave, #5008
>>> St Paul MN 55105-1096
>>> (651) 962-5662
> .
>

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Hi Carmel

I too remember as a boy the Guinness barges going downriver from St. James's Gate to the Guiness freighters - each traditionally named after a female member of the family - The Lady Grainne, The Lady Miranda, etc., for trans-shipment to Liverpool; the funnel was lowered to avoid snagging O'Connell Bridge and raised again on the other side. It smoked like mad and the whiff was heady. Many of the barrels were made by a cooperage at the top of Manor Street, near my home on the North Circular Road (now part of the latterly fashionable Stoneybatter district).

Beer in gas-pressurised barrels is the antithesis of the true 'draught' beer and ale fed, or 'drawn', by gravity pumps from the cellar. Without the gas the beer, if not consumed within a limited time-frame, will 'go off', hence the reluctance of publicans to stock cask-conditioned beer or 'real ale' where demand is poor.

The Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) in Britain was solely responsible for the revival of real ale in Britain in the 1970s; only in very recent times have micro-breweries appeared in Ireland and their output, unless situated in its own pub, is available only in bottles because the Irish beer-drinking public remain's largely ignorant of the subtle differences between 'real ale', which doesn't cause hang-overs,and pressurised, chemicalised, industrial beer - otherwise known as 'horse piss', which does...

Best Wishes

Ultan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carmel McCaffrey"
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Sent: Friday, 10 August, 2012 5:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [IR-D] draught Guinness

And the Guinness site actually shows a photo of the old wooden barrels -
which I can remember being shipped down the Liffey on the open barges -
as phased out in 1963.

So I think the issue is a more modern under pressure serving - being
called "draught" - and not service from the old style barrels.

Carmel


On 8/10/2012 8:59 AM, Edward Hagan wrote:
> Wikipedia to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draught_beer
>
> If Wikipedia is right, the definition of draught beer evolved when it became possible to serve beer on draught under pressure. But the practive of tapping barrells had long been in existence, so maybe what we have is a word changing in meaning.
>
> Ed Hagan
>
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> Subject: Re: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>
> Guinness gives 1959 as the date:
>
>> http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/docs/Guinness_History_Timeline.pdf
> Sarah.
>
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 18:54, "Matthew Barlow" wrote:
>
>> Ah, but, Ed, it is not 1959 anymore, and Guinness does indeed taste much better in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the UK than in North America on draught.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matthew Barlow.
>>
>> On 2012-08-09, at 12:35 PM, Edward Hagan wrote:
>>
>>> So, maybe "a pint of plain" was always "old man in the cellar"?
>>>
>>> And, if Grantham is right, I have to be amused at the possibility that the Irish-American canard about Irish Guinness is not true, i.e., that the Guiness in Ireland is so much better than the bottled stuff mostly available here.
>>>
>>> Ed Hagan
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Rogers, James S. [JROGERS[at]STTHOMAS.EDU]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:06 PM
>>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Subject: [IR-D] draught Guinness
>>>
>>> In a fascinating article, " Craic in a box: commodifying and exporting the Irish pub" by Bill Grantham, Continuum, 23, 2 (April 2009), the author states that draught Guinness was not created until 1959.
>>>
>>> Was it only available in bottles before then? Is that date accurate? It just doesn't seem so, to me, but what do I know....
>>>
>>> Jim Rogers
>>>
>>> James S. Rogers
>>> UST Center for Irish Studies
>>> Editor, New Hibernia Review
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>>> St Paul MN 55105-1096
>>> (651) 962-5662
> .
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If you did want to use Tom Bartlett for class, your students might be
interested in a free podcast of his talk at Glucksman Ireland House NYU
last fall, "A History of Ireland 431AD-2010, in 45 Minutes: The Long & the
Short of It," recently posted on iTunes U:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/glucksman-ireland-house/id429956357?mt
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Glucksman Ireland House
New York University


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I just used Bartlett's text this past spring semester. The students all
seemed to think it was a good choice. I've used Moody and Martin in the
past and that also does work well but if I were to chose again I think I'd
stick with Bartlett.

Kelly Donahue
Adjunct Professor
University of St. Thomas


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Matthew Barlow wrote:

> Colleagues,
> I find myself teaching Modern Irish History for the first time this
> fall and, though I probably already know the answer to this question
> already, can anyone recommend a textbook that covers Irish history from
c.
> 1600-1998, other than Foster's _Modern Ireland_?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow.
>

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Anne, and everyone else who had suggestions,
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go with Bartlett, it seems to be a well-structured, well-written text.
Cheers,
Matthew.

On 2012-08-14, at 7:04 PM, Anne Solari wrote:

> If you did want to use Tom Bartlett for class, your students might be
> interested in a free podcast of his talk at Glucksman Ireland House =
NYU
> last fall, "A History of Ireland 431AD-2010, in 45 Minutes: The Long & =
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At the risk of coming with old news too soon, for I'm sure=A0someone=A0sent=
a message about Irish Gold Medal woman boxer Katie Taylor lately, I receiv=
ed this from James McDonald yesterday.=A0 It is his ballad "The Irish Woman=
's Fight" which he composed and sang live at the Sidmouth International Fol=
k Festival on the very day of the conquest.=A0=A0
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Those of you familiar with the historical role and modus operandi=A0of broa=
dside hawkers will recognize the elements of the trade=A0in this video clip=
.=A0 Ballads were written immediately after newsworthy events.=A0 James use=
d the melody and verse form of "Morrissey and the Russian Sailor" to make h=
is new ballad and those allusions spur on the crowd at The Volunteer pub.=
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afterwards.=A0 Noteworthy is that, given Ireland's living folksong traditio=
n, James's song is not a recreation of history but a continuation.=20
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Katie Taylor and the Russian Lightweight (The Irish Woman's Fight)

A song on Katie Taylor's Olympic victory over Sofya Ochigava in the women's=
lightweight final in London 2012. Written by James McDonald and performed =
at The Volunteer Inn, Sidmouth on the 9th of August 2012.

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Message-ID: {decoded}I'd be very grateful if the information below could be circulated to the list.

Regards

Piaras

One-Year Post-Doctoral Researcher Post, University College Cork

College Arts, Celtic Studies and Social Sciences
School/Research Institute/Centre/Unit School of the Human Environment: Geography/Institute for Social Sciences in the 21st century (ISS21)
Post Title Post-Doctoral Researcher
Project Emigration and Return: Profiling todays generation of emigrants
Name of Principal Investigator/Reports to Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí
HR Administrator Tracy Eagles - t.eagles[at]ucc.ie
HR Competition Number

Position Summary
The researcher will work on an IRCHSS-funded project entitled Emigration and return: profiling todays generation of emigrants and their propensity to return, utilising the new Small Areas data, created by The National Institute of Regional and Spatial Analysis (NIRSA) on behalf of the Ordnance Survey Ireland (OSi) in consultation with the CSO. The project will entail the development of a Small Area typology based on variables including class, gender, previous migration history, educational background and income; the identification of most typical small areas by type; the conduct of a survey questionnaire to identify households with family members who have emigrated; and a series of detailed online interviews with a representative sample of emigrants.

Salary
¬30,117 (approved IRCHSS rate; 10.75% PRSI and 20% Fixed Term Pension Payment will also be paid)

Duration and Starting Date
The proposed postdoctoral position is for 12 months, commencing on 1 October, 2012, and is full-time. Duties are set out below.


Key duties and responsibilities

* To conduct a programme of research under the supervision and direction of the Principal Investigator. In particular, the Post-Doctoral Researcher will work with the P.I. and a Research Assistant on the design, development and implementation of sampling frames, survey questionnaires, interviews and follow-up analysis. The research will involve fieldwork in various parts of Ireland
* To engage in appropriate training and professional development opportunities as required by the P.I. and/or ISS21 in order to develop research skills and competencies
* To engage in an agreed programme of publication and dissemination of the results of the research
* To carry out administrative work to support the research project and to acquire generic and transferable skills (including project management, business skills and postgraduate mentoring supervision)
* To carry out such additional duties as may reasonably be required to support the project

Relevant Criteria

* A PhD in a relevant field
* Appropriate research experience in a relevant social science field, in particular, the design, implementation and analysis of questionnaire surveys and interviews
* Experience of research in the area of migration/diaspora studies is not essential but would be an advantage
* An ability to work within a team-based research project
* Good communications, organisational and interpersonal skills
* Good writing skills
* A familiarity with relevant software

For an informal discussion
Contact Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí, Department of Geography, UCC, +35321 4902207 or p.maceinri[at]ucc.ie

To Apply:
Please submit a short cover letter and C.V. to Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí, p.maceinri[at]ucc.ie, +353 21 4902207, on or before the closing date, 7 September 2012.

Supplementary Information on the Department of Geography is available at http://www.ucc.ie/en/geography/ and on ISS21 at http://www.ucc.ie/en/ISS21.


One-Year Half-Time Research Assistant Post, University College Cork

College Arts, Celtic Studies and Social Sciences
School/Research Institute/Centre/Unit School of the Human Environment: Geography/Institute for Social Sciences in the 21st Century (ISS21)
Post Title Research Assistant
Project Emigration and Return: Profiling todays generation of emigrants
Name of Principal Investigator/Reports to Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí
HR Administrator Tracy Eagles - t.eagles[at]ucc.ie
HR Competition Number

Position Summary
The appointee will work on an IRCHSS-funded project on current Irish emigration entitled Emigration and return: profiling todays generation of emigrants and their propensity to return, utilising new Small Areas data created by The National Institute of Regional and Spatial Analysis(NIRSA) on behalf of the Ordnance Survey Ireland (OSi) in consultation with the CSO. The project will develop a Small Area typology based on variables including class, gender, previous migration history, educational background and income; the identification of most typical small areas by type; a survey questionnaire to identify households with family members who have emigrated; and detailed online interviews with a representative sample of emigrants, attending especially to destination, length of time abroad and propensity to return.

Salary
¬12,000 (approved IRCHSS rate; 10.75% PRSI and 20% Fixed Term Pension Payment will also be paid)

Duration and Starting Date
The proposed research assistant position is for 12 months, commencing on 1 October, 2012, and is half-time. Duties are set out below.


Key duties and responsibilities

* To conduct a programme of research under the P.I.s supervision and direction. In particular, the Research Assistant will work with the P.I. and Post-Doctoral Researcher to design, develop and implement sampling frames, survey questionnaires, interviews and follow-up analysis. S/he will have particular responsibility for cluster analysis, using SPSS, on developing a multiple-variable typology and identifying most typical small areas of sufficient statistical robustness to constitute the main sampling frame for the project. The research will involve fieldwork in various parts of Ireland.
* To engage in appropriate training and professional development opportunities as required by the P.I., School or ISS21 to develop research skills and competencies
* To participate in an agreed programme of publication and dissemination of the results of the research
* To carry out administrative work to support the research project and to acquire generic and transferable skills (including project management, business skills and postgraduate mentoring supervision)
* To carry out such additional duties as may reasonably be required to support the project

Criteria

* A Masters qualification in a relevant field of geography, social sciences, mathematical and/or statistical analysis, or equivalent
* Experience in statistical analysis
* Experience of research in the area of migration/diaspora studies is not essential but would be an advantage
* Appropriate research experience in a relevant social science field, including familiarity with SPSS statistical analytical software
* The ability to work within a team-based research project
* Good communications, organisational and interpersonal skills

For an informal discussion
Contact Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí, Department of Geography, UCC, +35321 4902207 or p.maceinri[at]ucc.ie

To Apply:
Please submit a short cover letter and C.V. to Dr Piaras Mac Éinrí, p.maceinri[at]ucc.ie, +353 21 4902207, on or before the closing date, 7 September 2012.

Supplementary Information on the Department of Geography is available at http://www.ucc.ie/en/geography/ and on ISS21 at http://www.ucc.ie/en/ISS21.


Piaras Mac Éinrí, BA, MèsL (Paris), DEA (Paris), PhD (London)
Léachtóir i gcúrsaí imirce/Lecturer in Migration Studies
Chair, Board of Studies of MA in Contemporary Migration and Diaspora Studies
Roinn an Tíreolais/Department of Geography
Coláiste na hOllscoile Corcaigh/University College Cork
Guthán/phone: +353214904361 skype maceinri email/post leictreonach p.maceinri[at]ucc.ie