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Further to this message from Muiris...

I have written to The Guardian, asking for information about the nature of
this text.

The text is poignant and thoughtful, and makes important points about the
Irish experience.

But I am not at all clear how it is to be regarded. Is it written by a
specific person, or is it based on an interview or on interviews? Is it to
be regarded as a work of fiction? Or a piece of social science? How was it
generated or commissioned?

It is one of a sequence of similar 'Letters to...' in The Guardian. I
suppose the same questions might arise about all these pieces.

P.O'S.


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This is in the Guardian,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/dec/31/letter-to-irish-birth-mot
her
and
is relevant to the list.

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From: Carmel McCaffrey
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And the point of this is what?

Bob Geldorf - -Sir Bob KBE- certainly does not speak for me or mirror in
any way my own childhood experiences growing up in Ireland at the same
time. This reads to me like a personal hate bashing...

On 1/4/2012 8:00 AM, Steven Mccabe wrote:


> Having listened to the appealing treatment meted out to the brave men who
deserted to fight against the Nazis and, even worse, their children reminds
me of the lyrics from a song penned by Bob Geldorf of the Boomtown Rats
'Banana Republic' which was written about his childhood experiences of
Ireland in the 1950s and 1960s:
>
> Banana Republic
> Septic Isle
> Screaming in the Suffering sea
> It sounds like crying (crying, crying)
> Everywhere I go, oh yeah
> Everywhere I see
> The black and blue uniforms
> Police and priests
>
> And I wonder do you wonder
> While you're sleeping with your whore
> That sharing beds with history
> Is like a-licking running sores
> Forty shades of green yeah
> Sixty shades of red
> Heroes going cheap these days
> Price; a bullet in the head...

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From: Joe Bradley
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:24:39 +0000
Subject: RE: [IR-D] The Disowned Army
Thread-Topic: [IR-D] The Disowned Army

For interest
The September/October edition of History Ireland has an article on this iss=
ue taking a social, political and economic perspective on the possible rati=
onale behind these men being treated as deserters from the Irish Army.=20=
=20

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even Mccabe [Steve.Mccabe[at]BCU.AC.UK]
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Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Disowned Army

Having listened to the appealing treatment meted out to the brave men who d=
eserted to fight against the Nazis and, even worse, their children reminds =
me of the lyrics from a song penned by Bob Geldorf of the Boomtown Rats 'Ba=
nana Republic' which was written about his childhood experiences of Ireland=
in the 1950s and 1960s...

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'Oral
and Print Cultures in Ireland, 1600-1900'

Marc Caball, Andrew Carpenter, eds. Oral and Print Cultures in
Ireland, 1600-1900. Dublin Four Courts, 2009. 256 pp. $74.50
(cloth), ISBN 978-1-84682-195-0.

Reviewed by Niall O'Ciosain (National University of Ireland, Galway)
Published on H-Albion (December, 2011)


Commissioned by Brendan Kane

A book is not to be judged by its cover, or even by its title, and
this volume is no exception. On the dust jacket, the words "Oral and
Print Cultures" are superimposed on a reproduction of a manuscript,
which of course is neither oral nor print. The reader's curiosity is
increased by the statement on the dust jacket and in the
acknowledgements that the book examines "the interchange between
written and verbal cultures in Ireland," as if what was written was
not verbal. In practice, as the editors make clear in the
introduction, the essays in this book deal with oral, manuscript and
print materials and their various interactions. The subject has been
neglected in Ireland, write the editors, because literary scholars
tend to work with printed material, Irish-language scholars with
manuscripts, and folklorists with oral material, whether in written
or recorded form. (Historians, readers will regret to hear, are not
included in this typology.)

The strategy of most of the essays in this book is to look for traces
of orality in printed or manuscript texts. Andrew Carpenter
reproduces the texts of four ballads printed in Limerick in the late
eighteenth century--printed, he suggests persuasively, from the
dictation of a traveling singer who would have commissioned and later
sold them. Their oral characteristics included the migration of
verses between songs and the phonetic reproduction of contemporary
local pronunciation and of phrases in the Irish language, and the
results frequently bordered on incomprehensibility. Nicholas Williams
explores the way in which Irish and Scottish Gaelic were rendered in
English-language orthography in texts, both manuscript and printed,
from the sixteenth to the twentieth century. He contrasts this style
with Gaelic or Celtic script, and argues that the survival, even the
dominance, of the latter was a "hindrance to the survival of the
[Irish] language" in Ireland (p. 101). Lesa N=ED Mhunghaile
reconstructs the genesis of what she describes as "the first major
point of intersection between oral tradition and print culture in
Ireland," Charlotte Brooke's _Reliques of Irish Poetry_, published in
1789, which included texts from Irish-language manuscripts as well as
songs (p. 14). The influence was not unidirectional, however, and N=ED
Mhunghaile shows how material was later appropriated into the
manuscript tradition from the printed book.

Marie-Louise Coolahan examines the extensive depositions that were
taken from victims of the outbreak of the rebellion of 1641 "in order
to trace how these oral narratives were shaped into writing" (pp.
70-71). She sifts the various layers of the texts carefully, showing
for example how, as well as the words of the deponents, the reported
treasonable speech of the rebels was also crucial to the narratives.
There was an additional print dimension, moreover, since the most
brutal and graphic accounts of massacre and plunder in the
depositions were printed in early histories of the rebellion, and
have been central to controversy over the rebellion ever since.
Linde Lunney takes as her case study James Orr (1770-1816), a
Presbyterian weaver from southeast Antrim whose poetry, mostly
written in an Ulster-Scots dialect reminiscent of Robert Burns, was
published in 1804 and 1817. Orr's verse, highly literate and
reflecting a biblically based culture, contains a good deal of
description of reading and writing practices in rural east Ulster,
and Lunney brings elements of different poems together into a nuanced
picture of a regional culture. At the same time, there is something a
little decontextualized about that picture, in that the extraordinary
political mobilization of the 1790s, which produced unprecedented
amounts of printed propaganda and in which Orr himself was heavily
involved, is almost entirely absent from the discussion. It struck
this reader that the reading practices described in this poetry could
equally convincingly be read as a nostalgic literary construction. As
Roger Chartier and others have shown, depictions of peasant reading
are frequently imbued with such nostalgia.

Another micro-study from east Ulster comes in John Moulden's
description of a remarkable collection of some sixty-five ballad
books and other small texts which formed the collection of a single
farming family in Co. Down. Moulden's authority in this field is as
great as that of anyone living--he says that "over the last forty
years I have examined and listed most, if not all, of the
Irish-printed song books in Irish libraries, in the principal ones in
Britain and at Harvard University"--and his claims about the unique
nature of this collection carry some weight (p. 105). The article
contains a material description of the collection, a brief listing of
its contents, and some suggestions about the reading practices of the
family.

The remaining article is an exception within this book, being a study
of the reception of the principal history of Ireland composed in
Irish. This was _Foras Feasa ar =C9ireann_, written in the 1630s by
Geoffrey Keating, which was one of the most frequently copied works
in the manuscript tradition and first printed, in an English
translation, in 1722. Marc Caball examines three contrasting readers
of this text: the composer of an almost simultaneous English
manuscript translation in the 1630s, a legal scholar in early
nineteenth-century England, and an amateur archaeologist in Kerry in
the middle of the nineteenth century, the latter two of whom read the
English-language printed version. The translator wrote his own
preface, which not surprisingly expressed the same politics as
Keating's; the legal scholar was dismissive of the "fabulous
relations" of the book; and the archaeologist read it in a more
practical manner, with his local archaeological investigations in
mind.

Reception history is challenging, and Caball's reconstruction of the
reactions of these three readers is ingenious, but it is hard to see
how this essay fits in the collection, as its focus is not in any
substantial way on the interaction between orality, manuscripts, and
print. Moreover, it is hard to go along with his suggestion that the
three readers "reveal changing perceptions" of the work (p. 49). The
skeptical, even incredulous, English reader could surely be found at
any point from David Hume or Samuel Johnson onwards, and perhaps even
before, as could "Faith and Fatherland" Catholic nationalists such as
the translator. The same can be said of N=ED Mhunghaile's suggestion
that the less aural presentation of Fenian lays by Charlotte Brooke
in the _Reliques_ _of Irish Poetry_ (1789) compared to her manuscript
sources "marks the shift in emphasis that took place during the
course of the eighteenth century from material that was intended for
reading aloud, from either handwritten or printed books, to works
that were intended for silent private reading" (p. 23). In fact, what
has happened in both cases is that texts have been transferred from
one cultural milieu to another with different reading practices,
rather than any evolution in the reading practices of either milieu.
This type of misreading results, it seems to me, from a focus on
specific texts as the units of analysis rather than on reading
communities, a feature which is characteristic of the collection as a
whole.

While this attention to texts is common to all contributors, those
texts are quite varied; as a result, although the essays are all
accomplished, they feel like stand-alone pieces. This is reinforced
by the absence of a proper introduction that could present an overall
view of the field, establish links between the different essays, and
perhaps give some guidance to a non-Irish reader regarding the
specificities of the Irish case. The papers were originally given,
orally, at a symposium in 2008, and presumably there was discussion,
criticism, and interchange of ideas at the event and afterwards. It
is ironic, in a book about the interchanges between oral and written,
that hardly any trace remains in the text of the oral aspects of its
own origins. In this respect, the book might have followed the
example of a similar collection, _The Spoken Word: Oral Culture in
Britain, 1500-1850_ (2002), which has a magisterial introduction,
longer than any of the individual contributions, written by its
editors, Adam Fox and Daniel Woolf (a team indeed to rival those
famous authors of _The Imperial Animal _[1971], Robin Fox and Lionel
Tiger). In fact the short introduction of the present book is in some
respects positively unhelpful--for "a case-study of the influence of
print on oral culture" (p. 11) the reader is referred to a notorious
episode in which a fraud, more or less, was committed on a folklore
collector by one of his informants, and that in 1969, well outside
the time frame of this book.

A more substantial introduction might also have drawn out some more
general arguments and implications from the papers and suggested
contexts for them. The depositions examined by Coolahan, for example,
are, as she points out, written renditions of oral statements, and
she reconstructs this process convincingly. The concept of a
deposition in itself, however, also bears examination for what it
reveals about the relationship between the oral and the written.
Depositions were standard practice in cases where witnesses could not
appear themselves in court, but they were by definition less
satisfactory than an appearance by the witnesses themselves. In
particular, they did not allow the cross-questioning of witnesses
that was a fundamental right in common law. In the words of the
seventeenth-century English jurist Matthew Hale: "Too often, a crafty
clerk, commissioner, or examiner, will make a witness speak what he
truly never meant, by dressing of it up in his own terms, phrases,
and expressions. Whereas on the other hand, many times the very
manner of delivering testimony will give a probable indication
whether the witness speaks truly or falsely. And by this means also,
he has an opportunity to correct, amend, or explain his testimony,
upon further questioning with him, which he can never have after a
deposition is set down in writing."[1] Here, strikingly, the oral is
of decidedly greater authority than the written.

Another line of thought is suggested by the rendering of the Irish
language in an English-language phonetic orthography, the subject of
Williams's paper and mentioned also in that of Carpenter. One
implication of a widespread use of such a system, unmentioned by
either, is that literacy in English, for those whose first language
was Irish, would have meant literacy in Irish as well. This flies
against the orthodox presentations of language shift in Ireland, and
in Britain and Europe also, according to which people adopted an
official language partly or mainly because it was "the language of
literacy" and abandoned the local language because it was "the
language of orality." If literacy in the two languages is
functionally equivalent, than the force of this explanation is
considerably diminished. Such a conception of "biliteracy" has been
current in linguistics for some time, but has not been absorbed yet
into historical study.

All of the essays in this collection suggest similar lines of
thought, all of which will eventually contribute to a new, more
interdisciplinary and synthetic view of orality and literacy in early
modern Ireland and elsewhere.

Note

[1]. Matthew Hale, _The History and Analysis of the Common Law of
England_ (London: J. Nutt, 1715), 257-58.

Citation: Niall O'Ciosain. Review of Caball, Marc; Carpenter, Andrew,
eds., _Oral and Print Cultures in Ireland, 1600-1900_. H-Albion,
H-Net Reviews. December, 2011.
URL: https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=3D32732

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Subject: Book Review, Mader on Parsons,
'The Rule of Empires: Those Who Built Them,
Those Who Endured Them, and Why They Always Fall'
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This review will interest many Ir-D members...

Extracts below - full review at

URL: https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=32920


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Subject: H-Net Review Publication: Mader on Parsons, 'The Rule of Empires:
Those Who Built Them, Those Who Endured Them, and Why They Always Fall'

Timothy Parsons. The Rule of Empires: Those Who Built Them, Those
Who Endured Them, and Why They Always Fall. New York Oxford
University Press, 2010. 496 pp. $29.95 (cloth), ISBN
978-0-19-530431-2.

Reviewed by Jodie Mader (Thomas More College)
Published on H-Albion (January, 2012)
Commissioned by Thomas Hajkowski

Are empires ever a good thing? Can the Romans, Britons, and Spanish,
and most recently the United States, be criticized and yet admired
for their imperial conquests? Questions such as these are the focus
of Timothy Parsons's _The Rule of Empires: Those Who Built Them,
Those Who Endured Them, and Why They Always Fail_. Parsons's lengthy
tome asks whether empires are ever advantageous. He answers with an
unequivocal "no." His thesis is that "Empire has never been more than
naked self-interest masquerading as virtue," and he adds that his
book will show "why empires are unbearable and eventually untenable"
(p. 4). For Parsons, empire "entails the formal, direct, and
authoritarian rule of one group over another. It is born out of the
attempt to leverage military advantage for profit" (p. 9). Parsons
challenges the arguments of scholars such as Niall Ferguson, Baron
Cranworth, Deepak Lal, and others who postulate that empires have, in
the past, liberalized the economic system of less developed areas,
helped to create modern societies, and at times behaved in a
benevolent and humanitarian manner.

Parsons, a social historian of twentieth-century Africa, undertakes a
colossal task in tracing how certain empires were forged and how they
crumbled in different parts of the world, from Rome (roughly 43 CE)
to Nazi Germany in the 1940s. Seven chronological chapters, covering
roughly 450 pages, focus on the following conquests: Rome (Britain),
the Umayyad Caliphate (Spain), Spain (Peru), Britain (India),
Napoleonic France (Europe), Britain (Kenya), and Nazi Germany
(France). His conclusion, titled "Imperial Epitaph," is essentially
an eighth chapter, since the majority of this section focuses on the
United States' invasion of Iraq in 2003. Parsons devotes chapters to
several occupations in Europe as well as South America, Africa, and
South Asia, which appropriately provides a global perspective.

Parsons threads several themes through his work. He is keen to show
the creation and maintenance of empire from both sides, the colonizer
and the colonized...

...It is also fair to ask whether Parsons makes a persuasive case that
history's greatest empires were ultimately immoral failures. Parsons
does provide compelling background and analysis for each of the
empires he chose to include in his work. Yet, taking the stand that
empires were always disadvantageous is perhaps too strong a position.
The creation and maintenance of empires destroyed many indigenous
populations. At the same time, however, it can be asserted that in
certain cases, many of these civilizations benefited from
technologies and services that likely would not have been available
had imperialists never arrived. Does the bad outweigh the good?
Perhaps. But the global history of empire, in all its complexity,
defies both the jingoistic celebrations of the nineteenth-century
imperialists and the blanket condemnation of our own postcolonial
historians. In any case, Parsons deserves to be commended for
tackling such a key question in imperial studies. He offers a
thought-provoking interpretation of the dynamics of empire from
ancient to modern manifestations. His questions touching the
evolution of empires merit serious consideration by historians.

Citation: Jodie Mader. Review of Parsons, Timothy, _The Rule of
Empires: Those Who Built Them, Those Who Endured Them, and Why They
Always Fall_. H-Albion, H-Net Reviews. January, 2012.
URL: https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=32920

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Subject: Article,
'Trinity Mysteries': responding to a chaotic reading of Irish
history
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Many Ir-D members will be interested in this new article by Mike Cronin.

It is, in the first instance, a counter-attack - a critique of Gerry Finn's
article, 'Trinity Mysteries: University, Elite Schooling and Sport in
Ireland' published in the International Journal of the History of Sport in
2010. Which, in turn, offered a 32-page blast against Mike Cronin's book
Sport and Nationalism - see Finn article info at end of this email. So,
maybe a private quarrel within the history of sport...

But Diaspora Studies will read the exchange as a case study in academic
politics, as theory developed in one area is rigidly applied in another - in
effect a test of a theory, perhaps an over extension of theory...

P.O'S.


The International Journal of the History of Sport

Volume 28, Issue 18, 2011

'Trinity Mysteries': responding to a chaotic reading of Irish history

Mike Cronin

pages 2753-2760

In April 2011, a 25-year-old member of the Police Service of Northern
Ireland (PSNI), Ronan Kerr, was killed when a bomb exploded under his car.
The murder, which was claimed by dissident Republicans, was roundly
condemned by most sections of Northern Irish society. Despite the horror of
the killing, and the fact that such dissidents remained active, the very
life of Ronan Kerr was a testament to the success of the Northern Ireland
peace process. He, a young Catholic man, and a highly active member of his
local Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) club, had joined the PSNI in 2010.
Prior to the signing of the Belfast Agreement in 1998, and the ensuing
reforms in policing, it would have been unimaginable that a man like Ronan
Kerr would have joined the police. And yet, by 2011, there were 2,160
Catholics involved in policing the streets of Northern Ireland. The GAA
response to the killing was immediate. On the afternoon of the killing, a
minute's silence was observed at that day's Tyrone football match, and at
the funeral days later, Ronan Kerr's coffin was passed between, and carried
by, members of his club, officials from the GAA and officers from the PSNI.
At a time of loss, the GAA and the PSNI stood together to mourn a man they
both considered one of their own...

...While a single volume history of Irish sport still needs to be written,
sports history has developed rapidly in Ireland since the turn of the
century...

...In conclusion I return to the beginning of this response, and the killing
of Ronan Kerr. He was not killed by dissident Republicans because he had
embraced or symbolised athleticism. He was murdered because of Irish
conditions, namely that he was a Catholic who had taken the courageous
decision to join the police and serve his community. To argue that Mangan's
athleticism can be applied and adapted to every setting in the world is to
ignore national histories and conditions. True, the macro diffusion of sport
may follow similar patterns through history and geography. But to argue that
there is nothing specific about national sporting cultures is to
misunderstand why the funeral of a murdered policeman, with a sporting
organisation at its heart, speaks volumes about the historical changes and
current conditions of the island of Ireland. Ronan Kerr's choices, and those
of his killers, were shaped by Irish history, not by a Victorian sporting
concept.


SEE ALSO

The International Journal of the History of Sport

Volume 27, Issue 13, 2010

Trinity Mysteries: University, Elite Schooling and Sport in Ireland

Gerry P.T. Finn

pages 2255-2287

Abstract
The development of sport in Ireland was, contrary to some arguments, highly
influenced by English examples and Anglo-Irish institutions. Trinity College
and prestigious Irish schools did have an impact, as did the number of Irish
students sent to England for public school or university education.
Athleticism was evident in Ireland as it was in England. Although the
development of soccer did follow a slightly different trajectory from other
sports, as was also the case in both England and Scotland, this does not
mean that it departed from this broad evolutionary model of Irish sport. Yet
this was Ireland: and Ireland was different. As opposition to British rule
intensified, forms of sporting participation took on more and more of a
national symbolism. The outcome was the emergence of a very potent form of
athleticism: an Irish athleticism for an Irish people.

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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: TOC Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs, Volume 31, Issue 4, 2011,
Special Issue: Islam in the Republic of Ireland
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan [mailto:P.OSullivan[at]bradford.ac.uk]

Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs
Volume 31, Issue 4, 2011

Official journal of the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs
ISSN
1360-2004 (Print), 1469-9591 (Online) Publication Frequency
4 issues per year

Special Issue: Islam in the Republic of Ireland

A Word about Ourselves
Saleha S. Mahmood
pages 467-468

INTRODUCTION

Islam and Muslims in the Republic of Ireland: An Introduction to the Special
Issue
Oliver Scharbrodt & Tuula Sakaranaho
pages 469-485

This article serves as an introduction to the special issue on Islam in the
Republic of Ireland. The introduction gives a brief overview of previous
studies on Islam and Muslims in Ireland and shows their links with the
studies published in this issue. Second, it presents in a concise manner the
historical development of Islam in Ireland with respect to the increasing
numbers of Muslims. As Ireland became a new destination for immigrants
during the years of the economic boom, nicknamed the "Celtic Tiger Years",
immigrants and refugees arrived in a manner that would not have been
anticipated some decades ago. The article also examines the subsequent
process of the institutionalization of Islam in the country. Third, issues
concerning the accommodation of Muslims in the Irish educational system,
which in similar fashion to other European countries are also debated in
Ireland, are discussed in order to investigate questions around the
integration and accommodation of Muslims and the place of Islam in
"religious" Ireland in general. The article concludes with suggestions for
areas of future research on Islam and Muslims in Ireland.


COMMUNITIES AND ORGANISATIONS

Transnational Influences on Irish Muslim Networks: From Local to Global
Perspectives
Adil Hussain Khan
pages 486-502


Conversion and Religious Habitus: The Experiences of Irish Women Converts to
Islam in the Pre-Celtic Tiger Era
Yafa Shanneik
pages 503-517


Shaping the Public Image of Islam: The Shiis of Ireland as "Moderate"
Muslims
Oliver Scharbrodt
pages 518-533


LEGAL AND POLITICAL CONTEXT

Islamic Finance for Consumers in Ireland: A Comparative Study of the
Position of Retail-level Islamic Finance in Ireland
Edana Richardson
pages 534-553


Accommodating Islam in the Denominational Irish Education System: Religious
Freedom and Education in the Republic of Ireland
Claire Hogan
pages 554-573


Regulating Islamophobia: The Need for Collecting Disaggregated Data on
Racism in Ireland
James Carr
pages 574-593


ORGANIZING THE MAJORITIES AND MINORITIES

The Genesis, History, and Functioning of the Organization of Islamic
Cooperation (OIC): A Formal-Institutional Analysis
Gokhan Bacik
pages 594-614

Initiating Transformation, Visualizing a Future: The Case for Constructing a
Charter for Muslims in South Africa
Muhammed Haron, Zeinoul Abedien Cajee & Suleman Essop Dangor
pages 615-630

SPECTRUM

Reader's Comments on "'Minority Islam' in Muslim Majority Bangladesh: The
Violent Road to a New Brand of Secularism" by MD Saidul Islam
Ali Riaz
pages 631-634


Special Issue: Islam in Ireland: Contributors to this Issue
pages 635-637

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I am aware that some people have not been able to access the relevant Histo=
ry Ireland article

In his =91History Ireland=92 piece, Bernard Kelly relates how 4,634 Irish s=
oldiers who had been absent from their posts were summarily dismissed for d=
esertion in August 1945 - and a further 149 expelled in March 1946. Irish =
secretary of Justice Stephen Roche had cited 'the enormous cost to the stat=
e of tracking down, arresting, detaining, putting on trial and then incarce=
rating deserters' as significant. Debates ensued in the Dail, T F O'Higgin=
s (brother of Kevin) believed this was an example of Govt 'hatred, oozing w=
ith venom' because they had fought for the allies. Oscar Traynor 'sarcasti=
cally enquired whether he should turn out bands and banners to welcome dese=
rters home'. He stressed that deserters in other countries were shot for d=
esertion. Kelly discusses the views of two historians on opposite sides of=
the debate - Brian Girvin and Liam Canny. Kelly makes some points regardi=
ng why Irish soldiers deserted, amongst them 'boredom', noting the followin=
g observation of one desertee, 'we were fed up working in the bog, cutting =
turf...we were supposed to be soldiering'. Kelly believes it is possible to=
argue that the relevant legislation was pragmatic on the basis of cost (as=
per Roache's argument), the unfavourable publicity that such action would =
attract and that emergency legislation was an opportunity to deal with the =
issue 'quickly, cheaply and quietly'. The men who had deserted were allowe=
d to claim all military pay and allowances until the point they had abscond=
ed, to claim unemployment benefits and to claim British benefits while in I=
reland (Dublin negotiated this deal with London). The 'harsh' measure agai=
nst the deserters regarding disqualification from Govt funded employment ca=
n be seen against a Govt commitment whereby it was compelled to provide emp=
loyment for Irish Army ex-soldiers and further, where a very favourable cli=
mate had been created to encourage the employment of ex-soldiers. The dese=
rters were not able to acquire a military discharge certificate and Kelly b=
elieves that the bar from state employment was designed to look like Govt a=
ction when in fact these men did not merit the necessary qualification in a=
ny case. In addition, allowing these men to go unpunished 'would have unde=
rmined Dublin's claim to be neutral, erode morale in the Defence Forces and=
set a dangerous precedent that desertion from the forces would be tolerate=
d'.=20=20=20

I have not listened to the BBC programme and am therefore unaware if it dea=
lt with any of these points

Joe






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For interest
The September/October edition of History Ireland has an article on this iss=
=3D
ue taking a social, political and economic perspective on the possible rati=
=3D
onale behind these men being treated as deserters from the Irish Army.=3D20=
=3D
=3D20

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Having listened to the appealing treatment meted out to the brave men who d=
=3D
eserted to fight against the Nazis and, even worse, their children reminds =
=3D
me of the lyrics from a song penned by Bob Geldorf of the Boomtown Rats 'Ba=
=3D
nana Republic' which was written about his childhood experiences of Ireland=
=3D
in the 1950s and 1960s...
--=20
The Sunday Times Scottish University of the Year 2009/2010
The University of Stirling is a charity registered in Scotland,=20
number SC 011159.

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Construction industry news

Willmott Dixon to construct Irish Heritage Centre

06 January 2012

Willmott Dixon has been granted the contract to construct the new Irish
World Heritage Centre (IWHC) in Manchester.

The contractor will be working on the development of the 25-acre site, which
will feature a range of attractions, including an exhibition space,
Construction Enquirer reported.

Future plans for the project, which will use materials sourced from Ireland
wherever possible, include the construction of a hotel, playing fields and
fitness centre.

The centre will be developed to celebrate the success of people who have
left Ireland and seen great success in a number of fields overseas.

Chairman of the IWHC Michael Forde said: "We have always planned to use
Irish building materials. We want people to be walking on Irish wood and
surrounded by Irish stonework."

During November, Willmott Dixon announced it would be teaming up with
Morrisons on the creation of a new multi-purpose scheme to be constructed in
Walthamstow.

Businesses in the construction sector could benefit from Sage Estimating,
cost planning and post contract software, which is programmed to provide an
end-to-end solution for construction projects.

Article Posted by Editorial Team. All news articles are provided by
journalists from an independent News Agency - Adfero Ltd.

SOURCE
http://www.sageforconstruction.co.uk/IndustryNews/construction_industry_news
_selected.aspx?aid=2712

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Thanks Joe for a rational and thoughtful contribution to this discussion.=


Carmel

On 1/6/2012 9:49 AM, Joe Bradley wrote:
> I am aware that some people have not been able to access the relevant H=
istory Ireland article
>
> In his =91History Ireland=92 piece, Bernard Kelly relates how 4,634 Iri=
sh soldiers who had been absent from their posts were summarily dismissed=
for desertion in August 1945 - and a further 149 expelled in March 1946.=
Irish secretary of Justice Stephen Roche had cited 'the enormous cost t=
o the state of tracking down, arresting, detaining, putting on trial and =
then incarcerating deserters' as significant. Debates ensued in the Dail=
, T F O'Higgins (brother of Kevin) believed this was an example of Govt '=
hatred, oozing with venom' because they had fought for the allies. Oscar=
Traynor 'sarcastically enquired whether he should turn out bands and ban=
ners to welcome deserters home'. He stressed that deserters in other cou=
ntries were shot for desertion. Kelly discusses the views of two histori=
ans on opposite sides of the debate - Brian Girvin and Liam Canny. Kelly=
makes some points regarding why Irish soldiers deserted, amongst them 'b=
oredom', noting the following observation of one desertee, 'we were fed u=
p working in the bog, cutting turf...we were supposed to be soldiering'. =
Kelly believes it is possible to argue that the relevant legislation was =
pragmatic on the basis of cost (as per Roache's argument), the unfavourab=
le publicity that such action would attract and that emergency legislatio=
n was an opportunity to deal with the issue 'quickly, cheaply and quietly=
'. The men who had deserted were allowed to claim all military pay and a=
llowances until the point they had absconded, to claim unemployment benef=
its and to claim British benefits while in Ireland (Dublin negotiated thi=
s deal with London). The 'harsh' measure against the deserters regarding=
disqualification from Govt funded employment can be seen against a Govt =
commitment whereby it was compelled to provide employment for Irish Army =
ex-soldiers and further, where a very favourable climate had been created=
to encourage the employment of ex-soldiers. The deserters were not able=
to acquire a military discharge certificate and Kelly believes that the =
bar from state employment was designed to look like Govt action when in f=
act these men did not merit the necessary qualification in any case. In =
addition, allowing these men to go unpunished 'would have undermined Dubl=
in's claim to be neutral, erode morale in the Defence Forces and set a da=
ngerous precedent that desertion from the forces would be tolerated'.
>
> I have not listened to the BBC programme and am therefore unaware if it=
dealt with any of these points
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>

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EU copyright on Joyce works ends at midnight
TERENCE KILLEEN

COPYRIGHT ON James Joyce's works in the EU expires at midnight tonight.

From tomorrow, January 1st, writings published during Joyce's lifetime -
Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Ulysses and Finnegans
Wake - are available for publication and quotation without reference or
payment to the James Joyce estate.

Joyce died on January 13th, 1941; originally, copyright in these works in
Britain and Ireland extended for 50 years, until 1991. However, some two
years after that date, EU copyright law was harmonised to bring it into line
with German practice and the period was extended to 70 years.

The end of copyright protection will enable creative artists and theatre
companies to stage adaptations and re-enactments. Public broadcast will also
be possible. Joyce's solitary play, Exiles , can also be freely staged, and
productions are likely.

The Pan-Pan theatre company is interested in an Exiles -related project
around next Bloomsday, while the play Gibraltar by Patrick Fitzgerald, which
opens in the New Theatre, Dublin, tomorrow night, draws heavily on the text
of Ulysses . Another project well in train is publication of a special
edition of Joyce's short story The Dead by the James Joyce Centre.

Despite the freedom offered by the change, grey areas remain.

Some of Joyce's manuscripts were reproduced in 1979 in the James Joyce
Archive, but others have never been published. The National Library of
Ireland is directly involved in this issue, since it is the holder of the
largest collection of unpublished Joyce manuscripts in the world.

The legal position over these manuscripts remains unclear. Recently a group
of scholars wrote to the library seeking clarity on the issue, while
well-known Joycean Senator David Norris has tabled a motion in the Seanad
calling for a statement on the issue.

SOURCE
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1231/1224309673276.html


See also

Joyce Copyright Expires, Ending Grandson's Reign of Terror

...The new freedom of EU scholars, writers, and performers to use Joyce's
writings without having to satisfy a hard-to-please copyright holder should
make 2012 a great year for Joyce fans. But it's not just the European
Joyceans who have something to celebrate: in the US, Joyce's unpublished and
unregistered works also enter public domain this year, joining his pre-1923
published writings....

http://www.ipbrief.net/2012/01/05/joyce-copyright-expires-ending-grandson%E2
%80%99s-reign-of-terror/

As copyright ends, we can take the literary plunge
BY DAMON YOUNG
06 Jan, 2012 01:00 AM
Stately, plump Ulysses came out of copyright, and wandered into the public
domain. On January 1 this year, James Joyce's masterpiece, along with many
more of his works, became free to reproduce without permission in the
European Union and elsewhere. Likewise for other popular modern writers,
including the incandescent Virginia Woolf, whose estate includes novels,
essays and some of the most brilliant diaries yet written.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/opinion/editorial/general/as-copyright-
ends-we-can-take-the-literary-plunge/2411581.aspx

etc, etc...

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Conference report

Niamh NicGhabhann, =91Writing Irish Art History=92 5-NNG/1

Abstract: This is a short report on two events which addressed the =
critical
historiography of Irish art, architecture and material culture, both =
titled
=91Writing Irish Art History=92. The first was a student-led research =
day, with
papers which challenged received strategies in the writing of Irish art, =
and
included keynote addresses by both Professor Tom Dunne and Dr. =
R=F3is=EDn
Kennedy, and a performance by Dr. Nicholas Johnson and Nathan Gordon =
adapted
from Samuel Beckett=92s Three Dialogues from Georges Duthuit. The second =
event
reviewed here was a session at the 2011 Association of Art Historians=92
Annual Conference at Warwick, which brought together several scholars =
who
contributed close readings of individual key texts and documents towards =
a
critical investigation of the historiography of Irish art, and queried =
the
categories of Irish art and its institutional implications. These events =
are
placed in the context of the absence or presence of the debate on
historiographical practices relating to Irish art history over the past
decade.

Key words: Irish art; Ireland; TRIARC; Association of Art Historians; =
Circa;
historiography;=20

in the latest issue of the free online journal

The Journal of Art Historiography

http://arthistoriography.wordpress.com/number-5-december-2011/

That link takes you to the abstracts. The clickable numbers take you to =
the
pdf files.

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Just to tidy up, and get you ready for 2012...

This article will interest many Ir-D members.

P.O'S.

The International Journal of the History of Sport, Volume 28 Issue 5 2011

is a Special Issue

Rule Britannia - Nationalism, Identity and the Modern Olympic Games


The Battle of Shepherd's Bush

Author: Matthew P. Llewellyn

Abstract
In the annals of sport history, the 1908 Olympic Games in London stand as an
unprecedented success, setting new standards in organisation, event planning
and sporting achievement. The games are also remembered as an occasion for
competitive national self-assertion, as Great Britain and its trans-Atlantic
cousin the United States clashed in a desperate struggle for Olympic
mastery. Fuelled by Irish-American nationalism, biased British officiating,
competing sporting ideologies, as well as sensationalist reporting on both
sides of the Atlantic, an intense Anglo-American rivalry plagued the 1908
London games. The scenes of controversy and bitter recriminations between
British and American athletes, officials and high-ranking politicians went a
long way to solidifying negative British attitudes towards Pierre de
Coubertin's international Olympic revival.

Keywords: Irish-American nationalism; amateurism; Theodore Roosevelt; a
'special- relationship'; national decline

Published in: The International Journal of the History of Sport, Volume 28,
Issue 5 April 2011 , pages 688 - 710

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These 2 articles have turned up on the web site of
Policing: a Journal of Policy and Practice
in the Latest Articles section. If I wait to distribute the information
until the articles are assigned a place in the paper journal, I will forget

Note that this is Policing: a Journal of Policy and Practice, which is the
Oxford journal - NOT Policing: An International Journal of Police Strategies
& Management, the Emerald management journal.

P.O'S.

Article:
Georgina Sinclair
Exporting the UK Police 'Brand': The RUC-PSNI and the International Policing
Agenda

Policing
first published online January 6, 2012

(12 pages)

Abstract

The British (UK) police have developed since the 19th century from a meshing
of two broad systems of policing: civil/English and colonial/Irish. The
presence of a civil, unarmed police on the mainland and an armed police in
Northern Ireland [aside from the Ministry of Defence Police (MDP)] has
benefitted the UK, in terms of international policing assistance, allowing
the different facets of the UK policing brand to be transported overseas.
The UN-led mission to Kosovo necessitated executive authority policing; the
UK government deployed officers from the RUC and MDP; the RUC though being
the only home office police force with long-standing operational experience
in the use of firearms, in divided community and hostile environment
policing, in managing regular high-end public order, providing
counter-terrorist policing and a lengthy history in civil-military relations
as a result of the conflict in Northern Ireland. This expertise was of
particular benefit to the peacekeeping and peacebuilding missions to Bosnia,
Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan from the 1990s through until the present day.

Article:
Clive Emsley
Marketing the Brand: Exporting British Police Models 1829-1950

Policing
first published online January 6, 2012
(12 pages)
Abstract

The International Police Assistance Board (IPAB) was established in 2008
with the declared aim of marketing the internationally respected brand of UK
Police. Yet, there is no such entity as the UK Police. This article traces
the history of exporting models of British policing from the creation of the
Metropolitan Police in 1829 to the period immediately following the Second
World War. It makes a critical assessment of the contrast drawn between
English and Irish models and a shift in policy following the defeat of the
Axis powers. It also notes the problem of attempting to transplant an ethos
that emerged in one country into the very different cultural perceptions of
another.

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Message-ID: {decoded}Far be it for me to offer a defence of Bob Geldof (not Geldorf - my mistake) but I would suggest his concern for humanity speaks for itself; LiveAid etc. As far as his bile against Ireland of his childhood is concerned I would posit that he was angered by the hypocrisy if the Catholic church (which actively supported 'causes' such as the Nationalists in The Spanish Civil War) and the corruption of politicians who, whilst pretending to be craven to the morals of the church, were ensuring that they and their cronies were lining their pockets. My point was no more than to point out that there were some who were willing to highlight the failings on the establishment in Ireland. The fact that Geldof has become anglicised perhaps makes his trenchant criticism seem all the more bitter. Like all matters, he is entitled to his opinion. To answer Joe, it wasn't clear to me that the Irish government's pursuit of the deserters was borne of the need to maintain the perception of neutrality. However, I thought that this lie has since been disproved and that de Valera was actively supporting the allied fight against the Nazis; most particularly allowing American planes fly across Donegal (and placing markers to assist pilots). Hence the vindictive treatment of deserters becomes hypocrisy.

-----Original Message-----
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Thanks Joe for a rational and thoughtful contribution to this discussion.

Carmel

On 1/6/2012 9:49 AM, Joe Bradley wrote:
> I am aware that some people have not been able to access the relevant History Ireland article
>
> In his History Ireland piece, Bernard Kelly relates how 4,634 Irish soldiers who had been absent from their posts were summarily dismissed for desertion in August 1945 - and a further 149 expelled in March 1946. Irish secretary of Justice Stephen Roche had cited 'the enormous cost to the state of tracking down, arresting, detaining, putting on trial and then incarcerating deserters' as significant. Debates ensued in the Dail, T F O'Higgins (brother of Kevin) believed this was an example of Govt 'hatred, oozing with venom' because they had fought for the allies. Oscar Traynor 'sarcastically enquired whether he should turn out bands and banners to welcome deserters home'. He stressed that deserters in other countries were shot for desertion. Kelly discusses the views of two historians on opposite sides of the debate - Brian Girvin and Liam Canny. Kelly makes some points regarding why Irish soldiers deserted, amongst them 'boredom', noting the following observation of one desertee, 'we were fed up working in the bog, cutting turf...we were supposed to be soldiering'. Kelly believes it is possible to argue that the relevant legislation was pragmatic on the basis of cost (as per Roache's argument), the unfavourable publicity that such action would attract and that emergency legislation was an opportunity to deal with the issue 'quickly, cheaply and quietly'. The men who had deserted were allowed to claim all military pay and allowances until the point they had absconded, to claim unemployment benefits and to claim British benefits while in Ireland (Dublin negotiated this deal with London). The 'harsh' measure against the deserters regarding disqualification from Govt funded employment can be seen against a Govt commitment whereby it was compelled to provide employment for Irish Army ex-soldiers and further, where a very favourable climate had been created to encourage the employment of ex-soldiers. The deserters were not able to acquire a military discharge certificate and Kelly believes that the bar from state employment was designed to look like Govt action when in fact these men did not merit the necessary qualification in any case. In addition, allowing these men to go unpunished 'would have undermined Dublin's claim to be neutral, erode morale in the Defence Forces and set a dangerous precedent that desertion from the forces would be tolerated'.
>
> I have not listened to the BBC programme and am therefore unaware if it dealt with any of these points
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>

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Muiris Mag Ualghairg sent in this message last week - see date. He then
thought he might want to revise it, but, in the event, a family crisis has
absorbed thought and energy. He has decided to let the message stand.

P.O'S.


Subject:
Re: [IR-D] The Disowned Army

From:
Muiris Mag Ualghairg

Date:
Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:38:16 +0000

Let's put it into a wider context. Prior to the Americans entering the war,
after Pearl Harbour, the US advised its citizens that they would lose US
citizenship if they joined the combatant forces, and in fact it appears
that a number of Americans were so informed by their government when it
became clear that they had joined the RAF.

Also, these soldiers were soldiers of the Irish Army and they were
deserters from that army. The Irish needed their own armed forces to defend
their own recently won sovereignty. The Irish state was crying out for
trained men to fill the ranks of its army and there was a widespread
belief, which history has confirmed, that Britain was considering
reoccupying the treaty ports (at the very least) and might even have
reoccupied the entire Ireland. I understand that Churchill tried to argue
that Ireland wasn't technically neutral at all but should have been a
combatant on the allied side as a result of the treaty. So, from the Irish
perspective, they needed these men to fulfil their oaths to the Freestate
and to protect Ireland.

As regards the treatment given to these people after they came back to
Ireland, there are a number of points that should be considered.

1) My own family were living in extremely harsh circumstances and food
would have been in short supply (as would things such as shoes etc) in the
post war period, this was true in England as well, and from what I have
read and seen about the programme (and heard on BBC news and adverts for
it) it appears that people are complaining about poverty, well, nearly
everyone in Ireland and large numbers of people in Britain and France and
many other countries could complain about that in similar ways and their
stories would be just as heartbreaking.

2) These soldiers had deserted from the army and had joined a foreign
Government's armed forces, in many other countries such an act would have
lead to a lot worse than having their names added on to a list of people
who weren't to be employed. But then even that 'list' wasn't actually so
odd at the time and a similar system was in existence in England (which I
bet wasn't mentioned on the programme). A soldier who commits a serious
offence, such as desertion in time of national emergency, can be
'cashiered', cashiering is a technical term in the army it doesn't mean
that a soldier or officer is just booted out of the army it means that they
are booted out of the army and are not allowed to hold any employment with
any public body. Cashiering did happen in the British army and the denial
of work with public bodies was enforced as well as it was the law. Ireland
was no different in this respect, these soldiers had deserted their
country's armed services, they had joined a foreign army (which could
possibly have actually gone to war against Ireland!) and they were
cashiered, and so their names went on a list, let us not think that Britain
or America (which still wants the soldiers who fled to Canada during the
Vietnam conflict) would have treated soldiers who had deserted their army
to fight with a foreign force any better - they wouldn't have.

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1.
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:36:57 -0500
From: Carmel McCaffrey
To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Disowned Army 3

The point is that Geldorf [or Geldof's] opinion on Ireland adds nothing=20
to the discussion at hand. As a counter- point we might as well drag=20
out some of the lyrics of the Wolfe Tones to give /their /opinions on=20
the British presence in Ireland and the unfortunate and bloody legacy=20
that that establishment left behind. And none of that would have any=20
meaning whatsoever beyond the opinions being expressed -and everyone=20
being entitled etc.

Carmel

On 1/9/2012 10:32 AM, Steven Mccabe wrote:

> Far be it for me to offer a defence of Bob Geldof (not Geldorf - my mis=
take) but I would suggest his concern for humanity speaks for itself; Liv=
eAid etc. As far as his bile against Ireland of his childhood is concerne=
d I would posit that he was angered by the hypocrisy if the Catholic chur=
ch (which actively supported 'causes' such as the Nationalists in The Spa=
nish Civil War) and the corruption of politicians who, whilst pretending =
to be craven to the morals of the church, were ensuring that they and the=
ir cronies were lining their pockets. My point was no more than to point =
out that there were some who were willing to highlight the failings on th=
e establishment in Ireland. The fact that Geldof has become anglicised pe=
rhaps makes his trenchant criticism seem all the more bitter. Like all ma=
tters, he is entitled to his opinion. To answer Joe, it wasn't clear to =
me that the Irish government's pursuit of the deserters was borne of the =
need to maintain the perception of neutrality. However, I thought that th=
is lie has since been disproved and that de Valera was actively supportin=
g the allied fight against the Nazis; most particularly allowing American=
planes fly across Donegal (and placing markers to assist pilots). Hence =
the vindictive treatment of deserters becomes hypocrisy.


2.
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:38:06 -0500
From: Carmel McCaffrey
To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
Subject: Re: [IR-D] The Disowned Army

Agree Muiris - history doesn't happen in a vacuum. Context is
everything. Taking any event out of context without any knowledge or
reference to the entire, leads so historic half truths.

My own opinion is that within the ever broadening public arena debates
there is far too much reliance on what the popular culture is saying
and not enough actual source material being used - or even any knowledge
at how historicity is developed.

Carmel


> Re: [IR-D] The Disowned Army
>
> From:
> Muiris Mag Ualghairg
>
> Date:
> Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:38:16 +0000
>
> Let's put it into a wider context. Prior to the Americans entering the
war,
> after Pearl Harbour, the US advised its citizens that they would lose US
> citizenship if they joined the combatant forces, and in fact it appears
> that a number of Americans were so informed by their government when it
> became clear that they had joined the RAF.

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Maybe not exactly a diaspora question-or maybe it is, given the internation=
alism of traditional music-but a query has come to me regarding the history=
and development of the piano in Irish traditional music.

I'm stumped; can any of the trad-minded list members point me to sources?

Thanks

Jim Rogers

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From: Patrick O'Sullivan [mailto:P.OSullivan[at]bradford.ac.uk]=20

This TOC has, belatedly, turned up. The opening articles look back at Fr=
ank Wright, Northern Ireland: A Comparative Analysis, 1987, Dublin: Gill =
and Macmillan.

By the way, the current free sample issue on the web site is Irish Politi=
cal Studies Volume 26, Issue 1, 2011
http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/fips20/26/1

P.O'S.

IRISH POLITICAL STUDIES
VOL 26; NUMB 3 (2011)
ISSN 0790-7184

. pp.277-282
Frank Wright Revisited
Wilson, T.

. pp.283-299
Comparative Historical Analysis, Frank Wright, and Northern Ireland O' Mu=
rchu, N.

. pp.301-312
After Antagonism? The British-Irish Ethnic Frontier after the Agreement M=
orrow, D.

. pp.313-328
Territoriality and Order in the North of Ireland O' Dochartaiugh, N.

. pp.329-343
The Constituency Orientation of Modern TDs O'Leary, E.

. pp.330-360
A Random Process? Committee Assignments in Dail Eireann Hansen, M. E.

. pp.361-382
Unionism, Truth Recovery and the Fearful Past Lawther, C.

. pp.383-401
Decision-making and Contested Heritage in Northern Ireland: The Former Ma=
ze Prison/Long Kesh Flynn, M. K.

. pp.403-404
In Search of the Promised Land: The Politics of Post-War Ireland Barry, F=
.

. pp.405-407
Legion of the Rearguard: Dissident Irish Republicanism Tonge, J.

. pp.407-409
Crisis of Confidence: Anglo-Irish Relations in the Early Troubles, 1966-1=
974 Avetard, S.

. pp.409-410
Remembering and Forgetting 1916: Commemoration and Conflict in Post-Peace=
Process Ireland Hopkins, S.

. pp.411-413
Europeanisation and Hibernicisation: Ireland and Europe; The Europeanizat=
ion of Party Politics in Ireland, North and South Meehan, E.

. pp.413-415
Ulster's Last Stand? Reconstructing Unionism after the Peace Process Edwa=
rds, A.

. pp.416-417
The Reluctant Taoiseach: A Biography of John A. Costello O'Malley, E.

. pp.417-419
Europeanisation and New Patterns of Governance in Ireland O'Mahony, J.

. pp.419-421
News from a New Republic: Ireland in the 1950s Murphy, G.

. pp.421-423
Celtic Tiger in Collapse: Explaining the Weaknesses of the Irish Model; T=
ransforming Ireland: Challenges, Critiques, Resources Girvin, B.