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> Hi,
> I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the =
experiences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World =
War I. While there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context, I =
am unfamiliar with the Irish sources, and he has been unable to find =
much himself in the Irish historiography; most of what he's found has =
been from English sources dealing Lloyd George's gambit, tying =
conscription to Home Rule. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow

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Hi Matthew=2C
Some of these sources might contain some interesting bits on conscription i=
n Ireland=2C especially Traver's:=20

- Fitzpatrick=2C David=2C Politics and Irish Life=2C
1913-1921=2C (Cork=2C 1998)=2C 324 p.

=20

- Horne=2C John=2C ed. Our War. Ireland and the Great War=2C (Dublin=2C
2008)=2C 319 p.

=20

- Laffan=2C Michael=2C The Partition of Ireland 1911-1925 (Dundalk=2C
Dundalgan Press=2C 1983)=2C 138
p.

=20

- Travers=2C Pauric=2C =ABThe Priest in Politics: the Case
of Conscription=BB=2C in Oliver MacDonagh=2C W.F. Mandle et Pauric Travers=
=2C eds.=2C Irish Culture and Nationalism=2C 1750-1950=2C
(Basingstoke=2C The Basingstoke Press=2C 1983)=2C p. 161-81.

=20

- Ward=2C Alan J=2C =ABLloyd
George and the 1918 Irish Conscription Crisis=BB=2C The Historical Journal=
=2C vol. XVII (1974)=2C p. 107-29.


There's also a chapter devoted to the Qu=E9bec and Irish=20
crises of 1917-1918 in the following thesis =3B)




- S. Jolivet=2C =ABLes deux
questions irlandaises du Qu=E9bec=2C 1898-1921 : des consid=E9rations
canadiennes-fran=E7aises et irlando-catholiques=BB=2C th=E8se de doctorat=
=2C Universit=E9 Concordia
(Montr=E9al=2C 2008)=2C 397 p.


Best=2C

Simon




> Date: Sat=2C 3 Apr 2010 11:46:56 -0400
> From: matthew.barlow[at]MAC.COM
> Subject: [IR-D] Conscription in Ireland
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>=20
> > Hi=2C
> > I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the exp=
eriences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World War I. =
While there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context=2C I am unfam=
iliar with the Irish sources=2C and he has been unable to find much himself=
in the Irish historiography=3B most of what he's found has been from Engli=
sh sources dealing Lloyd George's gambit=2C tying conscription to Home Rule=
. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> > Many thanks=2C
> > Matthew Barlow
=20
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ah, funny you should respond to this, i was just about to ask you for that =
chapter, though i think i may actually have it somewhere on my macbook. ho=
pe all is well. =20
cheers,
m.

=20
On Tuesday, April 06, 2010, at 09:23AM, "Simon Jolivet" wrote:
>Hi Matthew,
>Some of these sources might contain some interesting bits on conscription =
in Ireland, especially Traver's:=20
>
>- Fitzpatrick, David, Politics and Irish Life,
>1913-1921, (Cork, 1998), 324 p.
>
>=20
>
>- Horne, John, ed. Our War. Ireland and the Great War, (Dublin,
>2008), 319 p.
>
>=20
>
>- Laffan, Michael, The Partition of Ireland 1911-1925 (Dundalk,
>Dundalgan Press, 1983), 138
>p.
>
>=20
>
>- Travers, Pauric, =ABThe Priest in Politics: the Case
>of Conscription=BB, in Oliver MacDonagh, W.F. Mandle et Pauric Travers, ed=
s., Irish Culture and Nationalism, 1750-1950,
>(Basingstoke, The Basingstoke Press, 1983), p. 161-81.
>
>=20
>
>- Ward, Alan J, =ABLloyd
>George and the 1918 Irish Conscription Crisis=BB, The Historical Journal, =
vol. XVII (1974), p. 107-29.
>
>
>There's also a chapter devoted to the Qu=E9bec and Irish=20
>crises of 1917-1918 in the following thesis ;)
>
>
>
>
>- S. Jolivet, =ABLes deux
>questions irlandaises du Qu=E9bec, 1898-1921 : des consid=E9rations
>canadiennes-fran=E7aises et irlando-catholiques=BB, th=E8se de doctorat, U=
niversit=E9 Concordia
>(Montr=E9al, 2008), 397 p.
>
>
>Best,
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:46:56 -0400
>> From: matthew.barlow[at]MAC.COM
>> Subject: [IR-D] Conscription in Ireland
>> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>=20
>> > Hi,
>> > I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the ex=
periences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World War I. =
While there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context, I am unfami=
liar with the Irish sources, and he has been unable to find much himself in=
the Irish historiography; most of what he's found has been from English so=
urces dealing Lloyd George's gambit, tying conscription to Home Rule. Does=
anyone have any suggestions?
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Matthew Barlow
> =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20
>_________________________________________________________________
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>

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The "Missing Friends" ads [infowanted.bc.edu] show that quite a
number of the ads are for wives searching for husbands believed to have
remarried after immigrating. To be fair, there are some husbands
searching for wives that had remarried or run away with other men. One
in particular, from 1842, was a husband who had arrived in Dubuque,
Iowa, searching for his wife, thought to be there. The wife had run
away from Ireland with her new lover. The husband was informed that the
wife and her new paramour had gone south down the Mississippi River.
I've always thought that the husband had gone to such an enormous effort
to get his wife to sign off on her dowry; love isn't a sufficient
explanation.
Ruth-Ann Harris
Boston College

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Try Pauric Travers, President of St Patricks College Drumcondra. He wrote=
=20
his PhD on the conscription controversy in Ireland and has long intended=20
publishing it as a book.
Danny Cusack

7 Canon Street
Kells
Co Meath
Ireland

Ph: 085-7396938
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> Hi,
> I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the=20
> experiences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World W=
ar I.=20
> While there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context, I am=20
> unfamiliar with the Irish sources, and he has been unable to find much=20
> himself in the Irish historiography; most of what he's found has been f=
rom=20
> English sources dealing Lloyd George's gambit, tying conscription to Ho=
me=20
> Rule. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Many thanks,
> Matthew Barlow


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from; patrick maume
one point that should be borne in mind is that although most discussion of
this issue focusses on the 1918 conscription crisis, fear of conscription
became an issue much earlier in the war. The Irish emigrants who were
refused passage to America at Liverpool in 1915 (sparking a famous protest
letter by Bishop O'Dwyer of Limerick) were motivated by rumours that
conscription was about to be introduced - I have seen references to similar
panic emigration during the Boer War, based on rumours that the obsolete
Militia Ballot Act dating from the Napoleonic wars might be used to bring i=
n
conscription without further legislation (this course of action was actuall=
y
urged by some Unionists in 1914-15). conscription was brought in in Britain
at the beginning of 1916 and some people advocated its introduction after
the easter Rising. 9Indeed, one motive of the MacNeill/Hobson group within
the Volunteers in opposing plans for an immediate rising was fear that whil=
e
the presence of the Volunteers acted as a deterrent to conscription, their
defeat in an unsuccessful rising might have the opposite effect).
Your student may like to look at the Parliamentary debates in 1916 and
1918 (I believe Hansard is available online); in 1916 the Unionist Mps
called for conscription to be exteneded to Ireland, and while resisiting
this Redmond said he might be prepared to support it if it meant the
difference between victory and defeat. In 1918 the Nationalist MPs
complained that they had been betrayed, while the Unionists cited their
refusal to accept conscrition as proof that they had been disloyal all
along.
Best wishes,
Patrick.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Danny Cusack wrote:

> Try Pauric Travers, President of St Patricks College Drumcondra. He wrote
> his PhD on the conscription controversy in Ireland and has long intended
> publishing it as a book.
> Danny Cusack
>
> 7 Canon Street
> Kells
> Co Meath
> Ireland
>
> Ph: 085-7396938
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Barlow" matthew.barlow[at]MAC.COM>
>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:46 PM
>
> Subject: [IR-D] Conscription in Ireland
>
>
> Hi,
>> I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the
>> experiences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World Wa=
r I.
>> While there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context, I am unfa=
miliar
>> with the Irish sources, and he has been unable to find much himself in t=
he
>> Irish historiography; most of what he's found has been from English sour=
ces
>> dealing Lloyd George's gambit, tying conscription to Home Rule. Does an=
yone
>> have any suggestions?
>> Many thanks,
>> Matthew Barlow
>>
>
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Subject: Dr. Pauric Travers' excellent MA thesis, UCD,
1978 re. Conscription in Ireland
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Greetings from Ireland=2C

Why not read Dr. Pauric Travers' excellent MA thesis by research on conscri=
ption in 1918. This can be obtained from University College Dublin's inter=
library loans section. The thesis was completed in 1978.

Regards=2C

Margaret O hOgartaigh.
=20
> Date: Sat=2C 3 Apr 2010 11:46:56 -0400
> From: matthew.barlow[at]MAC.COM
> Subject: [IR-D] Conscription in Ireland
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>=20
> > Hi=2C
> > I have a student who is interested in writing a paper comparing the exp=
eriences of Qu=E9bec and Ireland surrounding conscription in World War I. W=
hile there is plenty of work on this in the Qu=E9bec context=2C I am unfami=
liar with the Irish sources=2C and he has been unable to find much himself =
in the Irish historiography=3B most of what he's found has been from Englis=
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> > Many thanks=2C
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It is his UCD MA=2C his Ph.D was in Australian National University on finan=
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> Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 14:28:57 +0100
> From: dcusack[at]DIGINET.IE
> Subject: Re: [IR-D] Conscription in Ireland
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>=20
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te=20
> his PhD on the conscription controversy in Ireland and has long intended=
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> Danny Cusack
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On British decision-making, I'd recommend Adrian Gregory's excellent essay in
Gregory and Paseta, Ireland and the Great War.

Peter Hart

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I'm just starting research which emerged from a MA into Irish-born who migrated
to Australia/South Australia (this formed the basis of my previous research)
via India in the nineteenth century. Some were in the East India Company,
others in the British Army. I'm interested in suggestions about processes
involved in both leaving Ireland and India and would be grateful for any
support,
Stephanie James

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I would also suggest looking at the situation of those Irish people or
those with a link to Ireland who moved to Ireland to avoid conscription in
Britain, a number of Irish Volunteers who took part in the 1916 rising did
so, forming a unit out at Kimmage which travelled to the rising on a tram!
One of those Volunteers, Joe Good, with a tenuous link to Ireland, wrote an
autobiography 'Enchanted by Dreams'
http://www.amazon.com/Enchanted-Dreams-Revolutionary-Joe-Good/dp/0863222250


One could also mention Michael Collins who was working in London when the
war broke out but left during the war to 'join the Army' (but not stating
which army!)

Muiris
On 6 April 2010 21:05, Peter Hart wrote:

> On British decision-making, I'd recommend Adrian Gregory's excellent essay
> in
> Gregory and Paseta, Ireland and the Great War.
>
> Peter Hart
>

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An Introduction to Irish English
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An Introduction to Irish English
Carolina P. Amador-Moreno
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There has been a great deal of interest in the 1641 Ulster Depositions
project.

I thought that the IR-D list would like to see this message from the 1641
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The Trinity Long Room Hub
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=A0
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Speakers: Fintan O=92Toole, Catriona Crowe, Eunan O=92Halpin
=A0
In 1922 the bulk of Ireland's documentary heritage was destroyed. This
symposium poses=A0a stark question: what will be the state of Irish =
archives
in 2022 on the centenary of the Four Courts blaze?
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into the
National Library. This will be followed by an open forum, during which
audience members will have an opportunity to pose questions and share =
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Subject: CFP, Purgatory in Irish lit and culture, Drumcondra, November 2010
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Thee is a sort of underground, underworld link between Purgatory and =
Irish
Diaspora Studies - though I am not aware of anyone who has explored the
connections...

P.O'S.

PURGATORY =96 CALL FOR PAPERS
St. Patrick=92s College, Drumcondra, Dublin (DCU) and Sorbonne, Paris 3=20
=A0
Venue: St. Patrick=92s College, Drumcondra, Dublin, 26th and 27th =
November
2010
=A0
This international conference will explore representations of purgatory =
in
Irish literature and culture and examine its significance to the past =
and
relevance to the contemporary moment. Ideas and images of purgatory
proliferate in Irish literature. They are present in Irish folktales and =
in
the literature of barren landscapes and liminal spaces of modern and
contemporary Irish writers such as Beckett, Yeats, Heaney and =
MacPherson.
The story of the revelation of purgatory to St. Patrick on Station =
Island in
Lough Derg is commemorated in many medieval texts such as Marie =
France=92s
twelfth-century poem, The Legend of the Purgatory of Saint Patrick. The =
idea
of purgatory is a central concept in Irish literature and culture. =
Catholic
doctrine defines purgatory as a place or state of temporal punishment =
where
souls are cleansed of any stain of sin before entering into the presence =
of
God. This notion of exile and separation has acute resonances for Irish
social and cultural history. The doctrine on purgatory also allows that =
the
living may intercede on behalf of the dead and help them gain remission =
for
their wrongdoings, a concept that impacts on notions of community and
impinges on the national imagination. The annual celebration of =
Halloween in
November, the month of the dead, ensures the continuance of an awareness =
of
the living dead in popular culture.
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Keynote speakers confirmed to date: S=E9amus Heaney
=A0
We welcome papers from all relevant disciplines.
=A0
Please submit 200-word abstract and title of your proposed paper
electronically only =96 with details of your name, affiliation and =
e-mail
address - by 14th May 2010 to Dr Noreen Doody, copying in Professor =
Carle
Bonafous Murat.=20
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Why not contact a former UCD student of mine now in the Moore Institute=2C=
NUI Galway=2C Dr. Barry Crosbie=2C who had done a Ph.D. in this field in C=
ambridge=2C the most recent 'Historical Journal' features an article by him=
. He has a book forthcoming with Cambridge University Press.

Best of luck=2C

Margaret.
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> Date: Tue=2C 6 Apr 2010 17:43:48 +0930
> From: jame0005[at]FLINDERS.EDU.AU
> Subject: [IR-D] Research leads for nineteenth century Irish to India then=
Australia?
> To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
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> I'm just starting research which emerged from a MA into Irish-born who mi=
grated
> to Australia/South Australia (this formed the basis of my previous resear=
ch)
> via India in the nineteenth century. Some were in the East India Company=
=2C
> others in the British Army. I'm interested in suggestions about processes
> involved in both leaving Ireland and India and would be grateful for any
> support=2C
> Stephanie James
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Has anyone ever suggested that Long John Silver was Irish ? John Le Carr=E9
makes him so in reading Treasure Island on BBC Radio 4.=20
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David=20
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Congratulations to Ciar=C3=A1n =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh & Margaret =C3=93 =
h=C3=93gartaigh on this publication, which links, of course, with their =
work in developing an electronic database of Irish accounting and =
corporate governance archives.

P.O'S.

Four Courts Press
has pleasure in inviting you
to a reception at 7.00pm
on Thursday 15 April 2010

in
Liguori House
UCD Michael Smurfit Graduate Business School,
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Business Archival Sources for the Local Historian
by Ciar=C3=A1n =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh
& Margaret =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh

The book will be officially launched by Dr T.K. Whitaker,
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& President of the Royal Irish Academy.

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Business archival sources for the local historian
Ciar=C3=A1n =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh & Margaret =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh

This book provides a practical guide to the major collections of =
business archives for the whole of Ireland and to their appropriate use =
in historical research. Irish historians=E2=80=99 engagement with the =
accounting and business fields is discussed and the work-to-date in =
business history in Ireland is surveyed. The guide also features an =
introduction to the authors=E2=80=99 electronic database of select =
accounting and corporate governance archives held in the National =
Archives of Ireland and the Public Record Office, Northern Ireland =
(listed in an appendix).=20

Margaret =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh works at All Hallows, Dublin City =
University and is the author of Kathleen Lynn: Irishwoman, Patriot, =
Doctor (2006). Ciar=C3=A1n =C3=93 h=C3=93gartaigh is Professor of =
Accounting at University College Dublin and has published widely on =
accounting history. =20

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Truxes
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [IR-D] Irish Pirates
To: Marion Casey


Hello All,

By the mid-1640s there were a great many footloose, underemployed,
embittered, and destitute former Irish servants in the West Indies. There
is no reason to imagine that they were immune to the attractions of piracy
(which served as a magnet for just such folks). And Irishmen were always
well represented among mariners through the Age of Sail. Why can=92t LJS b=
e
Irish? Isn=92t he a fictional character in any case?

Tom


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From: *THE OSCHOLARS*
Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM
To: IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk


Has anyone ever suggested that Long John Silver was Irish ? John Le Carr=E9
makes him so in reading Treasure Island on BBC Radio 4.

David

www.oscholars.com

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From: *kdejong01*
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:21 AM
To: IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk


Hello David,

As someone who is looking at the Irish in Jamaica in the 17th Century I hav=
e
to say that this is probably very unlikely. Few Irish (as I found) joined
the bands of privateers, preferring to settle instead as small planters or
work in service (either though indenture or paid). Those who took to the
seas preferred the supply trade of bulk foods and cloths. The fictional
character of the 'stereotypical pirate' Long John Silver was probably more
based on those seafaring English coming from ports like Bristol, then from
Cork or Kinsale.

Karst
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From: *Patrick O'Sullivan*
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM
To: IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk


Thinking that I ought to consider the possibility that David Rose had erred
- What? No! What? - I listened to the John Le Carr=E9 reading on the BBC =
web
site. Was Le Carr=E9 maybe trying an English West Country or Bristol accen=
t,
with the rolled RRRs - in the manner of actor Robert Newton's defining
performance? But it is an Irish accent that Le Carr=E9 is offering - I
suppose it does help distinguish the character in sound, and it does suit
Silver's rollicking way of speaking.

The words Irish and Ireland are not in the text of Treasure Island, and
Silver is always presented as an Englishman - whether in his cover story,
served under Admiral Hawke, or his back story, Flint's quartermaster.

P.O'S.

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From: *Walter, Bronwen*
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM
To: IR-D[at]jiscmail.ac.uk


Dear David

I was also surprised to hear the Irish accent this week. Perhaps you should
write to John le Carre and ask why he did this. People do reply sometimes,
and we would like to know!

All the best

Bronwen




Professor Bronwen Walter
Humanities and Social Studies Department
Anglia Ruskin University
East Road
Cambridge
CB1 1PT

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Hello David,

As someone who is looking at the Irish in Jamaica in the 17th Century I hav=
e to say that this is probably very unlikely. Few Irish (as I found) joined=
the bands of privateers, preferring to settle instead as small planters or=
work in service (either though indenture or paid). Those who took to the s=
eas preferred the supply trade of bulk foods and cloths. The fictional char=
acter of the 'stereotypical pirate' Long John Silver was probably more base=
d on those seafaring English coming from ports like Bristol, then from Cork=
or Kinsale.

Karst=20
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E OSCHOLARS [oscholars[at]gmail.com]
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Subject: [IR-D] Irish Pirates

Has anyone ever suggested that Long John Silver was Irish ? John Le Carr=E9
makes him so in reading Treasure Island on BBC Radio 4.

David
www.oscholars.com