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16 March 2010 14:16  
  
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Book Notice, Cynthia by Richard Nugent
  
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From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"
To: "IR-D Jiscmail"
Subject: Book Notice, Cynthia by Richard Nugent

Sonnet lovers will want to know about this new edition of Richard =
Nugent's Cynthia...

Cynthia
by Richard Nugent
Angelina Lynch, editor; Introduction by Anne Fogarty

Published in an edition of 250 copies.
'Cynthia (1604) is a fascinating sonnet sequence by Richard Nugent, a =
member of a long-established Old English dynasty based in County Meath. =
The poems which record Nugent=E2=80=99s hopeless love for an unyielding =
mistress subtly transpose many of the reigning conceits of Tudor poetry. =
Cynthia unites the roles of Elizabeth I and a local Irishwoman, =
simultaneously allegorizing the poet=E2=80=99s love of Ireland and his =
loyalty to the English crown. Nugent=E2=80=99s account of the psychic =
damage wrought by his beloved=E2=80=99s cruelty testifies to the =
difficulties that members of the Old English community had in =
maintaining these dual and often incompatible allegiances.'

Angelina Lynch is an IRCHSS fellow at University College Dublin.=20
Anne Fogarty is professor of James Joyce Studies at University College =
Dublin.

Hardback
82pp. Spring 2010
ISBN:
978-1-84682-107-3
Catalogue Price: =E2=82=AC29.95
Web Price: =E2=82=AC26.95

http://www.fourcourtspress.ie/product.php?intProductID=3D806

There is surprisingly little Richard Nugent on the web - there are some
sonnets in Verse in English from Tudor and Stuart Ireland By Andrew
Carpenter.

P.O'S.
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16 March 2010 15:36  
  
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:36:00 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Book Review, Featherstone,
  
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Subject: Book Review, Featherstone,
Englishness: Twentieth-Century Popular Cultureand the Forming of
English Identity
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Simon Featherstone. Englishness: Twentieth-Century Popular Culture
and the Forming of English Identity. Edinburgh Edinburgh University
Press, 2009. 202 pp. $110.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-7486-2365-5.

Reviewed by Paul Ward (University of Huddersfield)
Published on H-Albion (March, 2010)
Commissioned by Thomas Hajkowski

Englishness Studies

Many historians, political scientists, cultural critics, and other
commentators have convinced themselves that Englishness was largely absent
from discussions of national identity until the last three decades of the
twentieth century. As Simon Featherstone points out in this wide-ranging and
interesting examination of what it meant to be English across the twentieth
century, it could be considered that there now exists a school of
"Englishness studies." The school includes academics such as Alison Light,
Anthony Easthope, Linda Colley, Robert Colls, Stuart Hall, and Paul Gilroy
(one could add Peter Mandler, Wendy Webster, Jeffrey Richards, and Arthur
Aughey to this list) as well as non-academic writers such as Simon Heffer,
Roger Scruton, Jeremy Paxman, and Billy Bragg. This makes for a crowded
field and Featherstone seeks to develop a distinctive approach from his
employment in a university drama department, suggesting that "the focus of
the nine chapters is upon performances" (p. 5). He combines this with
another distinct perspective in the consideration of place, explaining that
the book will take as one of its themes "the suppressed significance of
regional identity in both the establishment and problematising of
Englishness" (p. 5).

There is an impressively broad assortment of themes discussed in the book.
Across its 180 pages, there is consideration of English nostalgia and
modernity, folk-dance and Scouts, festivals, the Miners' Strike of 1984-85,
literary journeys, northern England, race and ethnicity, sport, accents, and
romance. Each chapter has a mix of the familiar and the unfamiliar. One
stimulating juxtaposition is in the chapter on the north. George Orwell and
a discussion of Blackpool sit alongside analysis of the visits of Mohandas
Gandhi and the cricket writer C. L. R. James in the 1930s. Likewise, the
chapter on "race" discusses the English nationalist and racist Enoch Powell,
but also Randolph Turpin, the black middleweight boxer from Leamington Spa,
who defeated Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951 to become world champion and a
national hero. Sometimes these linkages work less well. When discussing
"festivals," Featherstone includes the Festival of Britain in 1951 and the
Millennium Experience in 2000, but also the Miners' Strike of 1984-85. Given
that the Miners' Strike was fundamentally a very real class conflict fought
by people defending jobs, families, and communities, its discussion as
"festival" seemed strained.

Featherstone's justification is that the strike provided "a disorderly,
unofficial commentary ... [that] dramatised arguments about national
identity and cohesion," and he is surely right in such an argument (p. 47).
The strike might be seen as "political theatre" that took place away from
the customary places of English self-representation, and it was "performed"
in films like _Brassed Off_ (1996) and _Billy Elliot_ (2000), yet at its
root the strike was not a performance but a battle in which lives and
livings were at stake. This also points to one of the book's two flaws.
While Featherstone claims that his is a book about performance, discussion
of the theme has not been followed through. It makes fleeting appearances,
so Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech, in which he forecast racial violence,
is seen as performative, as is the Bodyline cricket tour of 1932-33, when
English cricketers bowled balls directly at the upper body of their
Australian opponents. So too are the Notting Hill riots of 1958, which are
described as "a performance of a moment of change in the politics of English
identity" (p. 109). There is much discussion of actors, so Gracie Fields and
Frank Randle from Lancashire appear, as do films like _A Canterbury Tale_
(1944) and _Brief Encounter_ (1946). There is, though, no discussion of
Englishness as performance in the otherwise strong conclusion.

The second flaw is a common one in discussions of national identity in the
United Kingdom. It has become something of a commonplace to conclude that
the English did not express an English identity while they had the empire to
divert them. Following Krishan Kumar, Featherstone argues that "instead of
inventing its own nation, as the rules of nationalism demand, England had
invented entirely different national and colonial structures to stand in for
it" (p. 178). Yet one wonders how it is that so many writers have found so
much material about English national identity/character that the number of
books on Englishness rises so steadily.

In part at least, the cause is that Englishness was so complex. It did exist
in a multinational United Kingdom. Like the Scottish and the Welsh, the
English were also British. They could combine both national identities, not
in a hyphenated form, but as Englishness within Britishness, merging,
infusing, and blending at the boundaries and at the core. It was different
_and_ the same. This is why reading through Featherstone's _Englishness_ it
is so frequently the "B" word--Britain--that is found, rather than England:
the Festival of Britain, the British National Party, the miners' strike in
England, Scotland, and Wales, the Scouts (in which the first Glasgow troop
claims to be the first officially registered), and the British Empire, which
brought Gandhi and James and hundreds of thousands of other immigrants to
Britain. "I was British," C. L. R. James wrote (p. 106). Yet "Britishness"
is mentioned only once in the book. Without doubt, place matters in the
United Kingdom and Featherstone uses a sense of locality and region very
well to explore the ambivalence within unified versions of Englishness, but
the same perspective might have been considered in terms of the way England
fitted into Britain. As Bolton was a continuum with Lancashire and the
northwest and the north and Britain and the empire, so too did England fit
within this continuum.

The reason for so many words being written on Englishness is because we, as
academics, have not come to terms with the way in which the English found it
so remarkably easy to perform so many identities all at once. Englishness
was neither absent nor anxious for much of the twentieth century. In the
end, Featherstone draws his book to a close with a recognition of this. As
he says, "England, then, remains in search of itself as a nation and that
search has been an integral part of its culture and politics for over a
century" (p. 182). This book provides an engaging addition to "Englishness
studies," but not yet the last word.

Citation: Paul Ward. Review of Featherstone, Simon, _Englishness:
Twentieth-Century Popular Culture and the Forming of English Identity_.
H-Albion, H-Net Reviews. March, 2010. URL:
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=25387


This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No
Derivative Works 3.0 United States License.
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16 March 2010 16:33  
  
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:33:08 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Article,
  
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: Article,
"Strike out Boldly for the Prizes that are Available to You":
Medical Emigration from Ireland 1860-1905
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This article has appeared on the web site of the journal Medical History.

Many Ir-D members will find the discursive, historiographic sections
especially useful.

Note that it is possible to download the more stable pdf version of the
article, from the web site, top right-ish.

P.O'S.


Med Hist. 2010 January; 54(1): 55-74.
PMCID: PMC2793142
Copyright C Greta Jones 2010

"Strike out Boldly for the Prizes that are Available to You": Medical
Emigration from Ireland 1860-1905
GRETA JONES*

*Greta Jones, PhD, University of Ulster, Centre for the History of Medicine
in Ireland, Shore Road, Newtownabbey, County Antrim BT37 0QB, UK; e-mail:
GJ.Jones[at]ulster.ac.uk

Throughout the late nineteenth and twentieth century there was a continuous
flow of doctors emigrating from Ireland.1 Governments and medical schools in
Ireland were aware of this phenomenon, but most calculations of the extent
of medical emigration were largely impressionistic. The Report of the
Commission on Higher Education in the Republic of Ireland in 1967 commented:
Medical school authorities informed us that it was particularly difficult to
place a figure on the rate of emigration of Irish doctors. A survey of the
pattern of emigration over a long period involving the tracing of many
individuals would be required to obtain accurate information and, in
particular, to isolate the number of doctors who emigrate permanently. This
we have not had the opportunity of doing.2

In order to gain a more accurate insight, the current study surveyed doctor
emigration from Ireland between 1860 and 1960. The cohorts were selected
from five leading medical schools in Ireland.3 Beginning in 1860, the survey
looked at the cohorts at five-year intervals until 1960. It thus covered
4,265 graduates, who were examined for their place of residence in the
Medical Register and the Medical Directory ten years after graduation.
Smaller studies were done five, fifteen and twenty years after graduation to
establish the accuracy of the ten-year cut off point. The figures obtained
suggest that for the period 1860-1960 about 41 per cent of the cohorts
examined were practising outside Ireland after ten years, around 44 per cent
were in Ireland, and 15 per cent were unaccounted for.

However, broken down by period, patterns of emigration change. Over the
hundred years examined, medical emigration, whilst still a significant part
of Irish experience, drops. Other changes occur in terms of destination and
motivation. This article, therefore, concentrates upon the nature of medical
emigration between 1860 and 1905 using the 1905 graduates as the last
cohort. This was done because the following cohort of 1910 started their
careers in medicine around the time of the National Insurance Act of 1911
and, shortly after, the 1914-18 war. These two events significantly changed
the situation for the emigrant doctor and suggest that the cohorts of 1910
and 1915 need separate treatment.4

FULL TEXT AT
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2793142/
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10624  
16 March 2010 17:12  
  
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:05 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
REPORT In the Front Line of Integration: Young people managing
  
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: REPORT In the Front Line of Integration: Young people managing
migration to Ireland
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Trinity Immigration Initiative
Children, Youth and Community Relations Project
&
Integrating Ireland

In the Front Line of Integration:
Young people managing migration to Ireland

Robbie Gilligan
Philip Curry
Judy McGrath
Derek Murphy
Muireann N=ED Raghallaigh
Margaret Rogers
Jennifer Jean Scholtz
Aoife Gilligan Quinn

Trinity College Dublin
February 2010

The full report is available at

http://www.tcd.ie/childrensresearchcentre/pubpdfs/InthefrontlineofIntegra=
tio
n-FINAL.pdf
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10625  
16 March 2010 20:38  
  
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:38:08 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
TOC Estudios Irlandeses ISSUE 5 - 2010
  
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: TOC Estudios Irlandeses ISSUE 5 - 2010
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Estudios Irlandeses
ISSUE 5 - 2010
Table of Contents

All contributions may be read online by clicking on the HTML icon. A =
version
in Portable Document Format, with numbered pages can be obtained by =
clicking
on the PDF icon.

http://www.estudiosirlandeses.org/indexnavy.htm

peter clarke
The Teaching of Book-Keeping in the Hedge Schools of Ireland=09

maeve eileen davey
=93She had to start thinking like a man=94: Women Writing Bodies
in Contemporary Northern Irish Fiction

elisabeth delattre
=93A Fusillade of Question Marks=94: (re)presenting the present or the =
poet
as a chronicler in The Irish for No by Ciaran Carson

monica facchinello
=93The Old Illusion of Belonging=94: Distinctive Style, Bad Faith and
John Banville=92s The Sea

marcus free
Migration, Masculinity and the Fugitive State of Mind in the Irish =
Emigrant
Footballer Autobiography: the Case of Paul McGrath

m=E1ria kurdi
A Woman Leaving Twice to Arrive: The Journey as Quest for a
Gendered Diasporic Identity in Anne Devlin=92s After Easter

virginie privas
Monological Drama to Reshape the Northern Irish Identity:
A Night in November by Marie Jones

marta ram=F3n-garc=EDa
Square-Toed Boots and Felt Hats: Irish Revolutionaries and
the Invasion of Canada (1848-1871)

mary ryan
A Feminism of their Own?: Irish Women's History and Contemporary Irish
Women's Writing

katharina walter
=93Suspended between the Two Worlds=94: Gestation Metaphors and =20
Representations of Childbirth in Contemporary Irish Women=92s Poetry

vincent woods
Jasmine and Lagarto: Pearse Hutchinson=92s Poetry of Spain

james f. wurtz
Elizabeth Bowen, Modernism, and the Spectre of Anglo-Ireland

Interview
yulia pushkarevskaya naughton
Comparative Literature in Ireland and Worldwide.

An Interview with Professor Declan Kiberd

The Year in Review - 2009
jos=E9 francisco fern=E1ndez
Irish Studies in Spain =96 2009

david pierce (ed.)
Irish Studies Round the World =96 2009

tony tracy (ed.)
Irish Film and Television =96 2009

Report
rosana herrero-mart=EDn
Un San Patricio verde caribe=F1o: la celebraci=F3n del 17 de marzo
en la Isla de Montserrat
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16 March 2010 21:49  
  
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:49:08 -0500 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
History News Network and St Patrick's Day
  
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From: Bill Mulligan
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The History News Network (www.hnn.us) has posted links to a number of
articles published over the last few years for St. Patrick's Day. I have
pasted in a TOC.





Links to the essays can be found at: http://hnn.us/articles/10757.html



Thomas
Fleming: Irish and Black Americans: Have the Parallel Lines Finally Met?

Review of Brian Lacey's
'Terrible Queer Creatures': A History of Homosexuality in Ireland By Doug
Ireland

The Fungus That Conquered
Europe, Led to the Irish Migration, Started in the US By John Reader

Why Election Day Meant More to
the Irish in My Youth than St. Patrick's Day By Thomas Fleming

The Myth of the Irish -- Just
Where Are Those Signs Warning "No Irish Need Apply"? By Richard Jensen

So Who Was St. Patrick? By Mike Cronin
and Daryl Adair

Myths of St. Patrick's Day By Edward T.
O'Donnell

St. Patrick's Day in Ireland By Mike
Cronin

William H. Mulligan, Jr.

Professor of History

Graduate Program Coordinator

Murray State University

Murray KY 42071-3341 USA

office phone 1-270-809-6571

dept phone 1-270-809-2231

fax 1-270-809-6587
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17 March 2010 10:07  
  
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:07:47 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
TOC Journal of the Association for the Study of Australian
  
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: TOC Journal of the Association for the Study of Australian
Literature, Vincent Buckley Special Issue (2010)
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan [mailto:P.OSullivan[at]bradford.ac.uk]
Subject: TOC Journal of the Association for the Study of Australian
Literature, Vincent Buckley Special Issue (2010)

The latest issue of the Journal of the Association for the Study of
Australian Literature
Is a
Vincent Buckley Special Issue (2010)

It is freely available at the web site
http://www.nla.gov.au/openpublish/index.php/jasal/issue/current

Of special interest to Ir-D members will be Frances Devlin-Glass, on the
'Matter of Ireland' and Buckley's shift from 'Irish-Australian' to
'Australian-Irish'. There are a number of articles on Buckley's faith -
note especially Tony Coady and Marie Joyce.

Very timely...

P.O'S.


From the Editor's Introduction
'The 2009 ASAL mini-conference was a singular event. 'Vincent Buckley 20
Years After: Life, Work, Politics and Times' drew together a range of people
from universities and beyond, with diverse reasons for their shared interest
in Vincent Buckley's legacy. The event had neither the coolness of the
symposium nor the narrowness of the colloquium. Rather, it more accurately
resembled a kind of festschrift. Poetry, reflection, analysis, criticism and
memoir were voiced as testaments to the ongoing effects of Buckley's
influential life and work.
Quite properly, then, this Special Issue of JASAL, which derives from that
mini-conference (though it also includes articles from non-participants),
has the spirit of just such a dedicated gathering of writing, motivated by
the impact of one person. Like the mini-conference, it embraces the life,
work, politics and times of Buckley'


Journal of the Association for the Study of Australian Literature

Vincent Buckley Special Issue (2010)

Table of Contents

Editor's Introduction

Articles

Buckley's Places
Peter Steele 11

'[W]ry-necked memory': the Matter of Ireland in Cutting Green Hay and Memory
Ireland, and the poems of The Pattern.
Frances Devlin-Glass 10

Wandering the Dream City: Memory, Self and the World in Golden
BuildersCarolyn Masel 14

Essays in Poetry, Mainly Australian: Vincent Buckley and the Question of the
National Literature
William Hatherell 9

The Burning Bush: Poetry, Literary Criticism and the Sacred
Robin Grove & Lyn McCredden 14

The heart of the matter: Vincent Buckley's Late Winter Child
Lyn Jacobs 13

Spaces in Vincent Buckley's Poetry
Penelope Buckley 16

Religion and Politics: a reflection on Buckley's legacy and the continuing
debate
Tony Coady 10

The Contribution of Vincent Buckley to the Newman Society and the
Intellectual Apostolate in the Fifties and Sixties
Marie Joyce 9

Vincent Buckley: shaping the biography
John McLaren 7

Grasping the cosmic jugular: Golden Builders revisited
John M Wright 12

Moments of intersection: causes for gratitude
Jennifer Strauss 6

Vincent Buckley as Colleague
Joanne Lee Dow 6

Memories of Vin Buckley, Spelt from Sibyl's Golden Leaves [poem]
Chris Wallace-Crabbe

http://www.nla.gov.au/openpublish/index.php/jasal/issue/current
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17 March 2010 10:28  
  
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:28:10 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Saint Patrick's Day message from President McAleese
  
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Saint Patrick=92s Day message from President McAleese

Beannachta=ED na F=E9ile P=E1draig ar chlann mh=F3r dhomhanda na nGael, =
sa bhaile
agus ar fud na cruinne, ar =E1r l=E1 n=E1isi=FAnta ceili=FArtha f=E9in.

Warmest greetings to everyone who is celebrating Saint Patrick's Day =
2010,
wherever you are in the world. On this day we set aside our problems and
remember the joy in life that comes from good company and the =
celebration of
a great culture. Saint Patrick's Day is a time for fun and laughter, for
showcasing the best of the Irish and for demonstrating our pride in =
homeland
and heritage. Saint Patrick's own life story is worth remembering during
these tough times for he himself faced and overcame great personal =
hardship
that tested him to the limits. The family of the Gael gathers in his =
name in
Ireland and in many diverse parts of the world. We are lucky to have =
such a
large global family. It has proved itself to be a very precious and
important resource in every generation. In recent years it has been an
indispensable enabler of the Peace Process which is consolidating and
strengthening little by little. Northern Ireland is enjoying the longest
continuous period of devolved power-sharing since the Good Friday =
Agreement
of 1998. The recent Hillsborough Agreement was another significant step =
in
the completion of devolution and represents an important milestone on =
the
path to long-term stability and normalisation. It took considerable
generosity of spirit on all sides to secure this historic peace and we =
can
look forward to the many benefits of a rapidly growing culture of good
neighbourliness instead of wasteful division.

The commitment of our global Irish family is now being harnessed as =
never
before with initiatives like the Farmleigh Conference and the new Global
Irish Network, all intent on putting their talents and ideas at the =
service
of Ireland's economic recovery. Thanks to our global family the link =
with
Ireland has been kept alive over generations and our culture introduced =
to
countless millions throughout the world. Saint Patrick's Day is marked =
and
relished in a myriad of places in a celebration that is both local and
global and that is quintessentially Irish yet warmly welcoming of =
friends
from other cultures and traditions. So whether you are parading down the
street of a small rural Irish village or one of the largest cities in =
the
world, Saint Patrick's Day parade is a shared celebration with the same =
deep
pride and love of life and of community at its heart.

To every Irish person and to every friend of Ireland, I wish you a happy =
and
enjoyable Saint Patrick's Day 2010.

SOURCE
http://www.president.ie/index.php?section=3D5&speech=3D771&lang=3Deng
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17 March 2010 11:00  
  
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:00:46 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
An Irish Diaspora Studies book by X?
  
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Email Patrick O'Sullivan

There is not going to be a traditional St. Patrick's Day Irish Diaspora list
competition this year.

But the IR-D list might help me with a quandary...

People who have visited my attic study will know that my Irish Diaspora
books are shelved behind me, in alphabetical order by author, from No Author
Given, top right, to Z, bottom left. The different letter sections were
divided by rather scruffy printed letter signs that I had made myself, A, B
and so on.

This Christmas I was given a rather delightful gift, a sequence of tall,
book shaped blocks, of diverse woods, with the letters elegantly carved on
their 'spines'.

I still have things to puzzle out - like, should I try to separate out the
Mc books from the M, and the O apostrophes from the O?

But there is a more serious issue, behind me, bottom right.

Irish Diaspora Studies gives us plenty of author names for every letter.
Even in Z we have Zaczek and Zimmerman. Plenty of Ys, of course, and Ws.

But nothing under X. I have a very fine letter X, carved on Douglas Fir.
But no book or books to stand beside it.

Can anyone think of a book, broadly within Irish Diaspora Studies, written
by someone whose family name begins with X?

Paddy O'Sullivan

--
Patrick O'Sullivan
Head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit

Email Patrick O'Sullivan Email Patrick
O'Sullivan Personal Fax 0044 (0) 709 236 9050

Irish Diaspora Net http://www.irishdiaspora.net Irish Diaspora list
IR-D[at]Jiscmail.ac.uk

Irish Diaspora Research Unit
Department of Social Sciences and Humanities University of Bradford Bradford
BD7 1DP Yorkshire England
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17 March 2010 15:35  
  
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Re: An Irish Diaspora Studies book by X?
  
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Patrick, I do not know if this helps, but there was a literary mag
(1961-63) entitled X ed=2E by Patrick Swift and the S=2EAfrican poet Dav=
id
Wright=2E John McGahern made his first appearance in print in the mag=2E X=
=2E
John all good wishes in all that you do=2E Happy Patrick's Day from
Tourmakeady Mayo=2E=20

Original Message:
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan P=2EOSullivan[at]BRADFORD=2EAC=2EUK
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:00:46 -0000
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL=2EAC=2EUK
Subject: [IR-D] An Irish Diaspora Studies book by X=3F


Email Patrick O'Sullivan =20

There is not going to be a traditional St=2E Patrick's Day Irish Diaspora =
list
competition this year=2E

But the IR-D list might help me with a quandary=2E=2E=2E

People who have visited my attic study will know that my Irish Diaspora
books are shelved behind me, in alphabetical order by author, from No Auth=
or
Given, top right, to Z, bottom left=2E The different letter sections were=

divided by rather scruffy printed letter signs that I had made myself, A, =
B
and so on=2E

This Christmas I was given a rather delightful gift, a sequence of tall,
book shaped blocks, of diverse woods, with the letters elegantly carved on=

their 'spines'=2E

I still have things to puzzle out - like, should I try to separate out the=

Mc books from the M, and the O apostrophes from the O=3F

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17 March 2010 17:41  
  
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Book Review, Crossman. Politics,
  
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From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: Book Review, Crossman. Politics,
Pauperism and Power in Late Nineteenth-Century Ireland (2006)
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Virginia Crossman. Politics, Pauperism and Power in Late
Nineteenth-Century Ireland. Manchester Manchester University Press,
2006. 256 pp. $74.95 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-7190-7377-9.

Reviewed by Cara Delay
Published on H-Albion (March, 2010)
Commissioned by Nicholas M. Wolf

Tending the Poor; Testing a Nation

In _Politics, Pauperism and Power in Late Nineteenth-Century Ireland_,
Virginia Crossman has produced a solid and convincing analysis of Ireland's
late nineteenth-century poor law system. Crossman examines the
politicization of the system, arguing that, by the end of the century, it
evolved into a vehicle for nationalist regeneration. In the process, local
government became a test for Irish national self-governance. Although, as
Crossman notes, the sources for Ireland's nineteenth-century poor law system
are "patchy," _Politics, Pauperism and Power_ is carefully researched (p.
2). Crossman's sources include newspapers, private papers, and
correspondence between the Chief Secretary's Office and the Local Government
Boards.

Crossman is clear that her work hopes to fill gaps in the existing
historiography. She attempts to provide more than an institutional and
administrative history, instead delving into the ideologies underlying poor
relief; the interplay, and often conflicts, between local and national
authorities; and the "issues of power and identity," including gender and
class, that informed poor relief (p. 4). Crossman, who reminds us that most
work on the Irish poor law system focuses almost exclusively on the few
years of the Famine, centers her examination on the pivotal yet less
examined post-Famine decades, and particularly the 1880s and 90s. This
emphasis allows Crossman to concentrate on the relationship between local
governance and nationalism.

After a brief introduction, the first few chapters of _Politics, Pauperism
and Power_ compare and contrast the British and Irish poor law systems and
trace the evolution of legislation and ideologies in the nineteenth century.
Crossman describes a key shift, outlining how nationalist guardians
committed to Irish self-rule came to take their place at the center of poor
law administration in the 1870s, while unionist guardians were "largely
relegated to the wings" (p. 4). The role of nationalist guardians and their
subsequent conflicts with representatives of the Local Government Board and
landlords form the focus of chapter 3. Here, Crossman provides ample
evidence that the poor law system often was utilized by nationalists for
their own purposes. She discusses the role played by nationalist guardians
in the Plan of Campaign, pointing out that the guardians used their
positions to support evicted tenants and to censure evicting landlords. This
pitted the guardians against their Local Government Boards, with the
guardians deliberately embarking on a "campaign of resistance and defiance"
against the boards' authority (p. 79).

Next, Crossman outlines emergency relief policies in the 1880s and 90s,
describing the government's attitudes toward central vs. local control.
Overall, century emergency relief was largely effective in alleviating
poverty and warding off starvation and deaths, but politically, it was far
less successful for the central government. The government proved reluctant
to oversee emergency relief, instead preferring, in most cases, to charge
the guardians with such tasks; this resulted in a nationalist outcry.
Nationalists used this controversy to argue that the central government was
shirking its responsibilities, thus buoying their larger political cause.

Chapter 5 presents the poor law system as "an engine of social change"
through an analysis of laborers' housing (p. 144). By the late nineteenth
century, the deplorable living conditions of laborers had central and local
authorities once again debating the role the government should play in
poverty alleviation. Nationalists took the lead in supporting legislation
that would provide for new laborers' cottages and would later spearhead the
building of cottages. Here, again, Crossman places the actions of the local
administrators within a larger political context, claiming that, at least
for a while, "the labourers acts did help to maximise support for, and
promote unity within, the nationalist movement" (p. 175).

In chapter 6, Crossman adds gender to her analysis through a discussion of
elite women's campaigns to gain entrance into local administration. These
attempts would be successful by 1896, when women secured the right to stand
for election as guardians. Still, as Crossman relates, the Irish public
remained ambivalent about women's role in local governance. Together with
chapter 5, this investigation demonstrates that poor law administration was
used to foster national unity but not to advance the cause of the lower
classes or women. Class and gender divides remained intact and would
ultimately become foundational to the new Irish state.

Crossman's contention that the poor laws offer us a unique opportunity to
study the intersections of "nationalism, class and gender in shaping Irish
politics and society" is certainly true (p. 4). She has done much to advance
our knowledge of nationalism and has opened new inquiries into class and
gender in the pivotal post-Famine decades. The book's strengths lie in its
successful attempts to illuminate local vs. national tensions, shifting
attitudes toward poverty, and the connections between the poor law system
and the evolution of Irish nationalism. Less effective, however, is
Crossman's treatment of the poor themselves, who are not as much of a focus
as Crossman promises in her introduction. With a few exceptions, this
monograph does not elaborate on the ways in which the poor experienced
relief, interacted with local authorities, or attempted to negotiate the
poor law system.

Overall, _Politics, Pauperism and Power_ adds new dimensions to the
political history of late nineteenth-century Ireland. Although
nonspecialists and undergraduates without a strong background in Irish
history may have some difficulty following Crossman's detailed analysis,
this text will certainly prove useful to specialists of modern Irish and
British history and will likely become essential reading for graduate
students in these fields. As Crossman reminds us, what is at stake in an
analysis of nineteenth-century local governance is a better understanding of
the birth of the modern Irish state.

Citation: Cara Delay. Review of Crossman, Virginia, _Politics, Pauperism and
Power in Late Nineteenth-Century Ireland_. H-Albion, H-Net Reviews. March,
2010. URL: http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=29784

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No
Derivative Works 3.0 United States License.
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17 March 2010 22:32  
  
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:32:30 +0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
  
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An interesting piece of food ethnohistory by Frances Lam at Salon magazine:

http://www.salon.com/food/francis_lam/2010/03/16/st_patricks_day_corned_beef_and_cabbage_irish/index.html

I've always associated corned beef and cabbage with the Irish American
diaspora whereas the corned beef I would have grown up with in England
was a different class of animal altogether. Boiled bacon and cabbage
would be my choice of stereotypically Irish food.

Anyway happy St Pats to listers old and new

Liam
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10633  
18 March 2010 07:17  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:17:20 -0400 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
  
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Muiris,
Same with me. I never associate Corned Beef with being Irish. We never
ate it. Still don't like it and it is sold everywhere here in the US
at this time of year as being quintessentially Irish. We did had stews -
both lamb and beef and boiled bacon from time to time. But we also ate
a lot of fish, maybe because we lived near Howth Harbour in Dublin where
the fishing trawlers came in. Big treat for us was to go out to the
harbour on Thursday nights and get the fish being sold on the dock side
- so fresh they were still jumping around.
My Dad, a Dubliner, was very fond of buttermilk and used to go
especially to a shop in Dublin where they sold fresh "unprocessed"
buttermilk. He also told us that when he was a boy they would go onto
the beach on Bull Island - just off the Dublin coast- and gather cockles
and seaweed.
Few of these foods are associated with Ireland here in the US.
Carmel



Muiris Mag Ualghairg wrote:
> That's interesting.
>
> I never associated Corned Beef with being Irish, nor, to the best of
> my knowledge, have I ever eaten boiled bacon and cabbage. Irish stew
> did feature in our diet as children, both my father and my mother made
> it, but I never associated Ireland with most of the foods that other
> people seem to - perhaps it depends on where in Ireland you live or
> your family are from. Again, I think of apples and apple pie and all
> sorts of things with apples as being 'irish' because my mam's family
> are from Armagh and they have lots of orchards. My father, on the
> other hand, liked 'butter milk' and seaweed and a more sea food based
> diet, as he is from Donegal and not too far from the coast one would
> expect those foods to be part of the diet there.
>
> M
>
>
>
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10634  
18 March 2010 09:48  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:48:21 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Book Notice, Sean Williams, Focus: Irish Traditional Music
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
From: Patrick O'Sullivan
Subject: Book Notice, Sean Williams, Focus: Irish Traditional Music
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From: "Patrick O'Sullivan"

I have pasted in, below, information about Sean Williams new book - =
which I
note is already getting cited by the specialists. Her approach will
interest many Ir-D members.

Note especially PART II: Music Traditions Abroad and at Home...

The book includes interdisciplinary elements of history, film, politics,
poetry, dance, and images to help readers more effectively ground their
understanding of the music. Starting from a North American perspective
(because most of the intended readership is American college students), =
the
book moves from a broad lens (Ireland, Irish history in two chapters, =
other
"Celtic" nations, the Irish in America, Irish instrumental music) to the
specifics of singing in Irish and English, ending with a chapter on
contemporary music and dance.

The book comes with a CD that includes tracks by Laoise Kelly, Joe =
Heaney,
Lillis =D3 Laoire, Susan McKeown, Mick Moloney, Eil=EDs N=ED =
Sh=FAilleabh=E1in, Karan
Casey, James Kelly, Randal Bays, James Keane, D=E1ith=ED Sproule, Tim =
Collins,
Catherine McEvoy, and others.=20

I should clarify that Sean is indeed a female Sean. (I know, I know. =
She
knows, she knows. Take it up with her parents.)

The book is on sale through all the usual outlets, and there is much
material about it on the publisher web site.

P.O'S.


Focus: Irish Traditional Music
By Sean Williams

Series: Focus on World Music Series=20

List Price: $44.95
ISBN: 978-0-415-99147-6
Binding: Paperback (also available in Hardback)
Published by: Routledge
Publication Date: 23/10/2009
Pages: 312

About the Book

Focus: Irish Traditional Music is an introduction not only to the
instrumental and vocal traditions of the Republic of Ireland and =
Northern
Ireland, but also to Irish music in the context of the Irish diaspora.
Ireland's size relative to Britain or to the mainland of Europe is
relatively small, yet its impact on musical traditions beyond its shores =
has
been significant. From the performance of jigs and reels in pub sessions =
as
far-flung as Japan and Cape Town to the worldwide phenomenon of =
Riverdance,
Irish music functions as a lingua franca for its enthusiasts, who share
tunes even when they do not share a language. Intended for non-Irish
readers, Focus: Irish Traditional Music offers a perspective on Irish =
music
rarely seen: the interweaving of music with dance, film, language, =
history,
and other interdisciplinary features of Ireland and its diaspora.

Part I: Irish Music in Place and Time, focuses on the development of =
musical
traditions and their linkages with historical trends and events in =
Ireland.
Part II: Music Traditions Abroad and at Home, locates Irish music within =
a
larger 'Celtic' music framework, including the North American Irish
diaspora, and focuses on the instruments and instrumental forms.
Part III: Focusing In, closely examines vocal music in Irish-Gaelic and
English, and in doing so reveals the core values of a global marketing
phenomenon.

The accompanying CD presents both traditional and contemporary sounds of
Irish music at home and abroad.

http://www.routledge.com/textbooks/9780415991476/about.asp


http://www.routledge.com/textbooks/9780415991476/

This is the companion website for Focus: Traditional Irish Music =
offering a
perspective on Irish music rarely seen: the interweaving of music with
dance, film, language, history, and other interdisciplinary features of
Ireland and its diaspora.

Full table of contents at

http://www.routledge.com/textbooks/9780415991476/toc.asp

About the Author

Sean Williams, Ph.D. is Associate Professor of Ethnomusicology at The
Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington, where she has taught =
since
1991. More information at...

http://www.routledge.com/textbooks/9780415991476/author.asp
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10635  
18 March 2010 10:14  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:14:51 +0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
From: Muiris Mag Ualghairg
Subject: Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
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That's interesting.

I never associated Corned Beef with being Irish, nor, to the best of
my knowledge, have I ever eaten boiled bacon and cabbage. Irish stew
did feature in our diet as children, both my father and my mother made
it, but I never associated Ireland with most of the foods that other
people seem to - perhaps it depends on where in Ireland you live or
your family are from. Again, I think of apples and apple pie and all
sorts of things with apples as being 'irish' because my mam's family
are from Armagh and they have lots of orchards. My father, on the
other hand, liked 'butter milk' and seaweed and a more sea food based
diet, as he is from Donegal and not too far from the coast one would
expect those foods to be part of the diet there.

M


On 17 March 2010 22:32, Liam Greenslade Academic
wrote:
> An interesting piece of food ethnohistory by Frances Lam at Salon magazine:
>
> http://www.salon.com/food/francis_lam/2010/03/16/st_patricks_day_corned_beef_and_cabbage_irish/index.html
>
> I've always associated corned beef and cabbage with the Irish American
> diaspora whereas the corned beef I would have grown up with in England was a
> different class of animal altogether. Boiled bacon and cabbage would be my
> choice of stereotypically Irish food.
>
> Anyway happy St Pats to listers old and new
>
> Liam
>
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10636  
18 March 2010 11:07  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:07:17 +0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Re: History News Network and St Patrick's Day
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
From: Joan Allen
Subject: Re: History News Network and St Patrick's Day
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Dear Bill
I hope you won't mind if I flag up my own small contribution to the St Patr=
ick's Day literature:
=20
Joan Allen, =91=93High days and Holidays=94: Celebrating St Patrick=92s Day=
in the North East of England 1870-1900=92, in Joan Allen and Richard C. A=
llen (eds), Faith of our Fathers: Six Centuries of Popular Belief in Englan=
d, Ireland and Wales (Newcastle: Cambridge Scholars Press, 2009)


best wishes
Joan


Dr Joan Allen
School of Historical Studies
Newcastle University
Newcastle upon Tyne
NE1 7RU

Tel 0191 222 6701

Vice Chair, Society for the Study of Labour History/ Editor, Labour History=
Review
________________________________________
From: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Bi=
ll Mulligan [billmulligan[at]MURRAY-KY.NET]
Sent: 17 March 2010 02:49
To: IR-D[at]JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [IR-D] History News Network and St Patrick's Day

The History News Network (www.hnn.us) has posted links to a number of
articles published over the last few years for St. Patrick's Day. I have
pasted in a TOC.





Links to the essays can be found at: http://hnn.us/articles/10757.html



Thomas
Fleming: Irish and Black Americans: Have the Parallel Lines Finally Met?

Review of Brian Lacey's
'Terrible Queer Creatures': A History of Homosexuality in Ireland By Doug
Ireland

The Fungus That Conquered
Europe, Led to the Irish Migration, Started in the US By John Reader

Why Election Day Meant More to
the Irish in My Youth than St. Patrick's Day By Thomas Fleming

The Myth of the Irish -- Just
Where Are Those Signs Warning "No Irish Need Apply"? By Richard Jensen

So Who Was St. Patrick? By Mike Cronin
and Daryl Adair

Myths of St. Patrick's Day By Edward T.
O'Donnell

St. Patrick's Day in Ireland By Mike
Cronin

William H. Mulligan, Jr.

Professor of History

Graduate Program Coordinator

Murray State University

Murray KY 42071-3341 USA

office phone 1-270-809-6571

dept phone 1-270-809-2231

fax 1-270-809-6587=
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10637  
18 March 2010 11:20  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:20:19 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Presidential shamrock ceremony had inauspicious beginning
  
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In the early days of IR-D we might pick up a few mentions of St. Patrick's
Day from around the world - just as part of show and tell...

The web has changed, of course, and Google is bigger than ever. I have
never before seen so much coverage of St. Patrick's Day. Some of it
sensible.

There have been a number of food ways items - including, in many places,
discussions of corned beef, and the correct recipe for soda bread. There
are also some new dimensions - like Irish tax payers objecting to the
expense of sending politicians, local and national, abroad.

On the other hand, there is something to be said for a procedure that allows
representatives of a very small country access to POTUS.

I was struck by this item from the CNN web site...

P.O'S.

Presidential shamrock ceremony had inauspicious beginning

It was a balmy March day in Washington as the Irish ambassador to the U.S.
headed to the White House. He carried a small gift for the president: a box
of Irish shamrock in honor of St. Patrick's Day.
The year was 1952. The president, Harry Truman, was out of town. So the
ambassador, John Joseph Hearne, dropped off the shamrock and went on his
way.
Such was the inauspicious inception of what's become a perennial event: the
St. Patrick's Day shamrock ceremony, in which the U.S. president receives a
cluster of Ireland's most famous greenery on the feast day of Ireland's
patron saint...

..."St. Patrick's Day centered around the Irish-American community,"
explained Michael Kennedy, the executive editor of Ireland's "Documents on
Irish Foreign Policy" project. "The minister in Washington might attend a
Mass and then a dinner hosted by an Irish society, but he would not go to
the White House."
That changed soon after Ireland became an independent republic, and Hearne
arrived on the scene as the country's first official ambassador to the U.S.
"Hearne moved St. Patrick's Day up the political agenda and brought it from
Irish-America to all of America," said Kennedy.
And Hearne did have a political agenda.
Ireland was not yet a member of the United Nations, was not part of NATO and
remained officially neutral throughout the Cold War. So giving an annual
gift to the U.S. president, and providing him with a photo opportunity that
might please Irish-American voters, was a way to curry favor with the United
States without formally taking sides...

...Mike Cronin, author of "The Wearing of the Green: A History of St.
Patrick's Day," noted that Ireland launched a campaign to attract more U.S.
tourists right around the time the first shamrock ceremony took place...

...After the 1969 ceremony, Cronin recounted in his book, the Irish
ambassador reported back to Dublin that "this was certainly one of the most
successful, and from the public relations point of view, most important
ceremonies of its kind in which I have participated."
In the 1970s, the occasion settled into a more routine, minor event on the
schedule for Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. Carter even delegated the task to
his vice president one year, when he was preoccupied with negotiating 1979's
Israel-Egypt peace treaty.

Ronald Reagan, however, was fond of extolling his Irish roots, so his
arrival in the White House helped transform St. Patrick's Day in Washington
into a jovial, celebratory, all-day affair...

...White House security regulations dictate that any food, drink or plant
presented to the president be "handled pursuant to Secret Service policy."
That's Secret Service-speak for destroyed -- an unceremonious fate, for an
enduring symbol of a long friendship.

FULL TEXT AT

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/17/shamrock.ceremony/
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10638  
18 March 2010 12:00  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:00:58 -0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Taoiseach on St. Patrick's Day
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
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From: Patrick Maume
To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List


From: Patrick Maume
One interesting point: I think in the immediate postwar period it was usual
for the Taoiseach to go to Rome and meet the Pope on St. Patrick's day. It
would be an interesting sign of transition (not to mention increased
emphasis on inward investment) to know when the shift from Rome to
Washington took place.
Best wishes,
Patrick

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Patrick O'Sullivan wrote:

> In the early days of IR-D we might pick up a few mentions of St. Patrick's
> Day from around the world - just as part of show and tell...
>
> The web has changed, of course, and Google is bigger than ever. I have
> never before seen so much coverage of St. Patrick's Day. Some of it
> sensible.
>
> There have been a number of food ways items - including, in many places,
> discussions of corned beef, and the correct recipe for soda bread. There
> are also some new dimensions - like Irish tax payers objecting to the
> expense of sending politicians, local and national, abroad.
>
> On the other hand, there is something to be said for a procedure that
> allows
> representatives of a very small country access to POTUS.
>
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10639  
18 March 2010 12:24  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:24:55 -0500 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
From: "Thomas J. Archdeacon"
Subject: Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
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A belated Happy St. Patrick's Day to all:

I grew up in NYC, the child of Irish-born parents. They never ate corned
beef and cabbage. My mother made something that was called "smoked butt"
with cabbage. It was boiled as I remember and was pork. I wonder if that
is the "boiled bacon" to which people on the list are alluding. My family
now has corned beef for SPD, fully aware that it is not familiar to most of
the "real Irish." For us, it's a walk on the wild side -- an indulgence in
a food that just can't be that healthful. When my cousin visited a few
weeks before SPD some years ago, we fed it to her as a bit of a lark.

Making a mistake about corned beef certainly does not come close to annoying
me as much as the substitution of four-leaf clovers for shamrocks. Corned
beef seems more of a "gotcha" factoid with which the "real Irish" -- and
truly simpatico Irish-Americans -- can score points on plastic-Paddy
Irish-Americans. Were I closer to the paranoid right, I might consider the
four-leaf clover a conscious effort to inject a secular symbol for a
religious one. It is more likely an error of associating a symbol of luck
with a supposedly lucky people (major irony there). Nevertheless, I find
the substitution much more a distortion of the origins of the celebration
than is retro-projection of an Irish-American food onto the Irish. The only
real interest of the Slate article is whether or not the argument about the
lost origins of corned beef is correct or is it more like one of those
plausible but factually incorrect rationales for the roots of some obscure
practice or phrase.

Tom
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10640  
18 March 2010 13:52  
  
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:52:27 +0000 Reply-To: The Irish Diaspora Studies List [IR-DLOG1003.txt]
  
Re: St Patrick's Day Dilemma: Corned beef or bacon and cabbage?
  
Sender: The Irish Diaspora Studies List
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The London Irish Centre's pre-Paddy's Day piblicity strongly featured Bacon & Cabbage as the 'dish of the day' and I presume this meant boiled bacon and cabbage (purists recommend boiling the cabbage in the bacon water - or is it the other way 'round?).

An Irish-Descent sociology lecturer, who moonlighted for a time as the stand-up comedian Sean O'Shaughnessy', once drew the ire of the older Irish-born community in Manchester for a routine which turned a common racist cliche on its head by joking thet his Pakistani neighbours were complaining about the pervasive stale odour of bacon and cabbage emanating from the homes of their Irish neighbours...Not what they wanted to hear!

Ultan
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